Atheist community being torn apart by war between feminists and misogynists, page 1


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Topic started on 30-7-2012 @ 08:09 PM by adjensen
A short time ago, I ran across an article that lambasted Richard Dawkins for downplaying a fellow atheist, a woman who had made a blog post about feeling threatened by someone accosting her in an elevator at a skeptic's conference. There are a number of articles, the crux of which is pretty much "Richard Dawkins doesn't get it", but here's the response of Rebecca Watson, the who raised the initial concern.

I didn't think too much of that, apart from snickering a little bit at Dawkins' cluelessness, but then last week I came across another weird article, titled "Rape is never funny", which was another atheist attacking other atheists, who were making deeply offensive remarks at the women in their community. Following that article back, it sourced posts on rationalia.com that mused "Would it be Immoral to rape a Skepchick?"

It appears that some people in the atheist community are coming to the realization that more than a few of their fellow skeptics are profane, arrogant, misogynist and hateful.

What's worse, they're proud of it, "standing up to censorship."



Who'da thunk it? Oh. We theists have, having put up with garbage like that, in the name of "non-belief", for years.

Skepchick has responded with a series of posts from males in the humanist community decrying the oafish behaviour, showing no small amount of surprise that their fellow atheists would treat others so poorly.

Rape is never funny, and anyone who debases another human being in a manner that they are in the rationalia.com threads should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Though I am not an atheist, I fully support the campaign at Skepchick to wipe out hate in their community, no matter how deeply it is entrenched.
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reply posted on 31-7-2012 @ 11:53 AM by cetaphobic
reply to post by adjensen



I'm not saying to ignore issues in the atheist community. What I am saying is that you shouldn't focus so much on their issues that you can't even see your own.


reply posted on 31-7-2012 @ 12:13 PM by adjensen
Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to
post by adjensen



I'm not saying to ignore issues in the atheist community. What I am saying is that you shouldn't focus so much on their issues that you can't even see your own.


And what I'm saying is that we should focus on people, as a whole, and stop focusing on this "us versus them" mentality when it comes to issues of hate.



reply posted on 31-7-2012 @ 12:17 PM by cetaphobic
reply to post by adjensen



Then my issue isn't with you. My issue is with people like this:

Originally posted by conspiracy88
Misogyny, feminism and atheism all stem from the same pile of poop.



reply posted on 31-7-2012 @ 03:04 PM by Sleepwalk7
Originally posted by adjensen
A short time ago, I ran across an article that lambasted Richard Dawkins for downplaying a fellow atheist, a woman who had made a blog post about feeling threatened by someone accosting her in an elevator at a skeptic's conference. There are a number of articles, the crux of which is pretty much "Richard Dawkins doesn't get it", but here's the
response of Rebecca Watson, the who raised the initial concern.

I didn't think too much of that, apart from snickering a little bit at Dawkins' cluelessness, but then last week I came across another weird article, titled "Rape is never funny", which was another atheist attacking other atheists, who were making deeply offensive remarks at the women in their community. Following that article back, it sourced posts on rationalia.com that mused "Would it be Immoral to rape a Skepchick?"

It appears that some people in the atheist community are coming to the realization that more than a few of their fellow skeptics are profane, arrogant, misogynist and hateful.

What's worse, they're proud of it, "standing up to censorship."



Who'da thunk it? Oh. We theists have, having put up with garbage like that, in the name of "non-belief", for years.

Skepchick has responded with a series of posts from males in the humanist community decrying the oafish behaviour, showing no small amount of surprise that their fellow atheists would treat others so poorly.

Rape is never funny, and anyone who debases another human being in a manner that they are in the rationalia.com threads should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Though I am not an atheist, I fully support the campaign at Skepchick to wipe out hate in their community, no matter how deeply it is entrenched.
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Well, I'm neither an atheist nor a leftist (socially, at least). However, Skepchick is full of # on a number of levels. For one, do you even know what the original controversy was about? Skepchick stayed up late into the morning drinking with some people at a bar; she then announced she was done for the night and that she was going up to her room. Afterward, an atheist approached her in an elevator, asking her to come up to his room for coffee. She declined and that was it.

That's it... That's what happened. So what the # is everyone whining about? If anything, this whole ordeal shows that Skepchick may be a misandrist or some kind of fascist. Why shouldn't a guy be able to approach and proposition her? Is she 10 years old? Is she a delicate flower that needs to be protected from the cruel world? Does she think all men are rapists? Does she expect men to read her mind? The mind boggles. This lady is nuts. I would dread being anywhere near her. I'd be afraid to make eye contact with her for fear of having the police called on me.

What makes this even stranger is during this controversy this lady was advertising and selling a calendar that featured sexy photos of "intellectual" women (called skepchick calendar). I don't know if she was in it herself, but I find it funny that Skepchick will whine about being seen in a sexual way, or not taken seriously, and then turn around and help create, advertise, and sell a calendar that sexualizes "intellectual" women.
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reply posted on 31-7-2012 @ 06:00 PM by Sleepwalk7
Originally posted by adjensen
Yes, that was it. Until she posted on it later, remarking that being alone with someone you don't know in an elevator at 4AM is not an environment that a woman wants to be hit on in.


Well, an environment that she, personally, did not want to be hit on in. That's one of the issues. Skepchick can't speak on behalf of every woman. Not every woman would react in the same way she did, nor would every woman decline the proposition. In fact, there have been a plethora of YouTube videos of women telling Skepchick to stop whining. Finally, I highly doubt that Skepchick would have declined the offer if it had been made by a man that she had admired or was attracted to. Or perhaps she would have still declined, but wouldn't have made this embarrassing video.

Her comment, specifically, was "Don't do that, guys."


Why not?

For which she was pilloried by some in her community, including Dawkins, who insinuated that girls who have their genitals mutilated shouldn't complain, because "look at this poor girl over here, she has to fend off suitors in an elevator."


Yes, because here in the first-world feminists don't have many genuine issues. In fact, one could argue that we're living in a time where sexism against men is more rampant than sexism against women (in the first world).

His sarcasm failed to note that, if Rebecca felt uncomfortable in that elevator, it wasn't Rebecca's fault.


I don't think this is a situation where anyone is at fault, since another woman may have reacted in a manner completely different from Rebecca. Another woman may have been flattered by the offer, but declined it anyway. Another may have gladly accepted. Another may have pepper sprayed the guy.

And they certainly don't muse whether or not they should rape her, just because she's so, you know, annoying.


This is a separate issue which can be chalked up as immature people being immature.
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