Why is it that people think we cannot CRITICIZE ISRAEL? Israel is NOT A RELIGION, It's a Nation..wi

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Wars involving Israel

List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2012

Chronology of Terrorist Attacks in Israel


Summary of Terrorist Attacks in Israel


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Your facts don't work well with history, and most importantly don't approve violence today. ps. In the future would be nice if you can state resources for your facts. This will improve conversation and you might decide not to post some of fabrications you did in that post.




posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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You're doing what the authors of the NT did. They took some basic facts and then added, subtracted, twisted and fabricated as they saw fit.

Fact - God, the Creator made a covenant with Abraham and his seed, Isaac and Jacob ever after to give the Land of Israel to them. That's a fact. It's called the Promised Land for a reason. Why do you think it was called the Promised Land? Because someone felt like using that name because it just sounded interesting?

Read. Understand. Learn.
The Promised Land - Israel





Originally posted by Lazarus Short

Originally posted by rootbranch2012
On that day, God made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Giga#es and Yevusites.” (Genesis 15:18-21)

“And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your temporary residence, all the land of Canaan as an eternal possession and I will be a God to them.” (Genesis 17:8)


Originally posted by SuperFrog



The problem with quoting Scriptural "pieces/parts" to support your theo-illogical stance, is that you may have missed the bigger picture. I have have read on in the story, and know beyond the shadow of a doubt that these promises were made as YHWH was courting His future Bride, Israel. The land was a sort of dowry, but in time, after they eloped at Sinai, Israel sinned and went whoring after other gods/husbands. YHWH properly divorced her and kicked her out of the house (land of Canaan). Neither Israel nor Judah nor the Jews have any claim to the land from the standpoint of the land covenant. The covenant will not be renewed until Jesus takes the bride as His again, and that is yet future. The Jews have cleverly set themselves up as the fulfillers of prophecy, and subverted theologians, Bible teachers, Sunday school lesson-writers, and many others. It strikes me as more than coincidence that Christianity has been on the decline since 1948, and it seems the USA has been too, even though Israel-Firsters insist that if we support Zionist-Occupied Palestine, we will be blessed. Come again? Clearly, we are cursed.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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A lot of it to me stems biblicaly, in the Bible it states that Ezekiel 38: 14-23



14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord. ’



so basically go against Isreal and bad crap is going to go down, most people consider this scripture to be end times prophecy and that this is one of the things that is going to spark the whole thing off.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Right. They just went to a slow grave, eating themselves up inside, drinking and drugging themselves to death to numb the pain of having been forced to renounce their heritage, become owners of houses of gambling and live on nuclear waste sites. It is a damning history and even more compounded when it is celebrated as Thanksgiving aka The Genocide of the American Natives. That's just consistently rubbing it in. So - to the final solution, eh? Till nothing is left of them. Tuck them away in the desert so nobody ever has to deal with them and let them self-destruct. A grand scheme all around.

And why aren't you speaking out against the atrocities? Maybe because most Americans would much rather not deal with it at all. It's done, over and let's watch TV and get high. That's not the way history with the Jews goes. It is specifically been historically documented lest we forget. Everything was recorded. Everything was written down. And when it was burned we wrote it exactly as it was at Sinai - word for word. Because we also have an oral tradition to back everything up in case catastrophe hits, so we REMEMBER. We are commanded to REMEMBER. Never forget. Never ever. Because we are our roots. We are our ancestors. And just as we were redeemed once from Egypt, so it will be again. That is our heritage, strength and what we pass on to our children and our children's children.





Originally posted by ATSGrunt
The Indians went through an extermination type holocaust too and you don't see them causing problems the way the Israeli's constantly do! I'm 5th Mohawk Indian, so I do have a deep cited hate for the constant # treatment i got my whole life, along with same for the tribes of this country that once were. At least you Israelites got a country, the Indians just got a reservation, bitch! Guess that is what happens when you let people who say they are fighting for God, yet murder and kill the whole #ing way, proves that they are actually doing Satan's bidding. God job to the Satanists...



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by rootbranch2012
Wars involving Israel

List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2012

Chronology of Terrorist Attacks in Israel


Summary of Terrorist Attacks in Israel


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Your facts don't work well with history, and most importantly don't approve violence today. ps. In the future would be nice if you can state resources for your facts. This will improve conversation and you might decide not to post some of fabrications you did in that post.




And your point??? Two negative makes it positive? Or you trying to prove that over 50 years of concentration camp called Palestine still did not break their will for freedom? Don't you see, you leave too much space for speculation?!

If you like to post numbers, there is a thread on numbers of casualties in Israel/Palestine conflict, I don't think that they support your posts.




Originally posted by rootbranch2012
You're doing what the authors of the NT did. They took some basic facts and then added, subtracted, twisted and fabricated as they saw fit.

Fact - God, the Creator made a covenant with Abraham and his seed, Isaac and Jacob ever after to give the Land of Israel to them. That's a fact. It's called the Promised Land for a reason. Why do you think it was called the Promised Land? Because someone felt like using that name because it just sounded interesting?

Read. Understand. Learn.
The Promised Land - Israel


Fact?? Since when? Are you for real?

And this gives Israel right to perform Ethnic cleanings and occupy and annex part of other countries?!

It's just God-Given right, is it??
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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The setting is these Times, now - during this period. What is going down now - militarily and Judgment against the forces of evil. However they may manifest. Evil will be destroyed and transformed one way or another. The essential role of the Jew and Righteous Gentile is to bring light into darkness. To eradicate evil through introducing light - via the 7 Laws for the Gentiles and 613 Laws for the Jews. These Laws serve as channels to bring light into the world. Which is why we use our minds and bodies to fulfill them. It's not just saying words, it's every bodily function from birth to death.

Everything has a spiritual connector and channel to be used to transform evil and there are negative and positive Laws. Sometimes you have to strike, sometimes you have to forgive, sometimes you have to bless, sometimes you have to kill. The final battle will be Gog against Magog. They will battle it out to the end. Israel will be put through its own trials and in the end she will be redeemed through Moshiach Ben David.



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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Point is Israel has a definitive right and obligation to preserve life. If she is attacked, she is also obligated by commandment to DEFEND HERSELF.

The Jew's Double Standard

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by rootbranch2012
Right. They just went to a slow grave, eating themselves up inside, drinking and drugging themselves to death to numb the pain of having been forced to renounce their heritage, become owners of houses of gambling and live on nuclear waste sites. It is a damning history and even more compounded when it is celebrated as Thanksgiving aka The Genocide of the American Natives. That's just consistently rubbing it in. So - to the final solution, eh? Till nothing is left of them. Tuck them away in the desert so nobody ever has to deal with them and let them self-destruct. A grand scheme all around.

And why aren't you speaking out against the atrocities? Maybe because most Americans would much rather not deal with it at all. It's done, over and let's watch TV and get high. That's not the way history with the Jews goes. It is specifically been historically documented lest we forget. Everything was recorded. Everything was written down. And when it was burned we wrote it exactly as it was at Sinai - word for word. Because we also have an oral tradition to back everything up in case catastrophe hits, so we REMEMBER. We are commanded to REMEMBER. Never forget. Never ever. Because we are our roots. We are our ancestors. And just as we were redeemed once from Egypt, so it will be again. That is our heritage, strength and what we pass on to our children and our children's children.


Ouch.... that includes over half Jews, if you did not know. (around 5 millions live in USA, just a little bit shy from number living in Israel) You would not protest if we (not native Americans) have the same fate as Palestinians under Israel occupation, would you? (and don't forget, not everyone is here from their own will, some being forced to move to States).
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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It's hard to fathom any other real reason for Israels existence other than the future culmination of some dumbass war in the future. What did we expect to happen when we just decided to take some land and import all the "ethnic" Jews into it? Whatever "ethnic" Jew means...I don't even know why they fight about it. I can't tell a palestinian from an israeli If it was going to save my life based off of looks alone. So why fight? Maybe we should just let the Israelis and the sort just go at it with each other and maybe all the dumb people fighting over their cultural and religious differences will die off.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Another thing to add to your list...

All the countries around Israel were created by France and England but for some reason they are completely legitimate in all aspects of being a country...except Israel by many who see it as not a true country, but these same people who do not recognize Israel also want to create a country out of a 6 by 25 mile strip of land called Gaza. LOL



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Because there are SO many unintelligent people in America who think that "news entertainment' actually contains some truth.

Israel is the worst ally possible. They spy on us, bleed us dry, and make any talk of peace on the Middle East impossible.

We should cut Israel free. They are not needed and certainly not wanted by many.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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I don't think that cutting ties with Israel is even possible.

We already know that its close to impossible to force them negotiate peace with Palestinians, and any kind of support against Israel would mean many life lost.

In my opinion, international force should take control over questionable territories to provide piece, Israel should tear apart its wall and both countries should give equal rights to all people living on their soil trough constitutions.

Using God as excuse to annex someone's land in my opinion will never work.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by g146541
I have always known that the terrorist state of israel was a nation and not a religion.
They get away with alot as they fly under the guise of many banners, state, religion, ethnicity, Etc.
Screw the terrorist state of israel, I say stop all aid, financial and military goods and see just how "Gods chosen people" do.
There will still be enough jews and semites to go around, they won't go extinct.

I tried so many times to respond to your post in a way that wouldn't just get culled, but it's hard. I think there is a site or many sites out there where you can practise being such a scumbag, why don't you go away and find one?

MODS: if you even think about my post on this, please look at what I am responding to -

"There will still be enough jews and semites to go around, they won't go extinct."

Clearly the work of someone who is either in need of a reality check. I hope this bag of 'SNIP' actually gets to live in the real world one day and learns to appreciate his neighbours (but I actually doubt it, ).



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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IMHO. And to put it simple as I can. We can't speak out about Israel, because Israel does not want us to. Period the end. We as Americans have been shucked & jived by this "nation" since their inception. This nation has invaded our political system across the board. This nation says jump, we say "how high'?. If it was'nt for being labeled anti-semetic I feel most who have a negative attitude about Israel and it's policies toward other nations, would speak out.

But the fact is in America if you are labeled anti-semetic, your pretty much put out of business and black-balled
Because that's the way Israel the "nation"wants it to be.
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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I love that vid


I always bust it out when the Megaphones start chanting "Anti-Semite!"



The sad thing is that she is right. Many people say that is just one woman speaking and she does not represent Israeli policy, but she is an ex cabinet minister and the rest of her colleagues use the same "trick"

The trick doesn't work anymore you Zionist liars.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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Jew: We killed Jesus, we're proud of it




All hail Israel, Huh !!!!!!


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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Personally, I'm a bit suspicious of the 'God of the Jews.' I often get the strong feeling whomever 'it' might be, 'it' might not be The God. Not a whole lot to base this on. Except perhaps the brutality, the brutality with a nefarious sort of glee. The documented partiality/preference for the Hebrew people, despite what Paul said about "everybody's included!" And a consistent lack of omnipotence. There seems to be alot this God can't do, without someone here on Earth doing some ghastly thing first- or last. These are just a smattering of some of the "evil-like" and inexplicable things about this one, that give me pause. Alotta pause.

"It" often seems to display traits I simply don't find admirable, regardless of who's doing them. I expect better from the real, actual God. He's probably nothing like this one.
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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but it's right to defend itself with any means possible to protect and ensure it's survival.

Even if that means starting a war with a country perhaps several countries all because you loose sleep at night wondering what Iran does? LMAO wow people are so crazy.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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Originally posted by DOLCOTT
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Obviously you are an atheist, if you do not believe in the Bible (Old Testament), you most obviously do not understand the connection between the land of Israel which was given to them (JEWS)by GOD. As Christians we are instructed to help the JEWS and teach the message of Christ although they the Jews turned their backs and forced his execution.

I do not see why this is so complex a subject for mankind to understand, the Muslims claim this same piece of land as Holy for themselves. Is the USA any worse for protecting Israel, than Iran protecting the Palestines?????????????????????????????????????///

The site claims to deny ignorance, it appears ignorance is displayed more than denied.


Does one have to be an athiest if they do not believe a book of fairy tales written long ago by a warlord to get his people to fight under his banner?
And all of this bull about the "chosen" people...Original and the current nazi's is all they are.
Besides, the people who inhabit this holy land are for the major part not even semites.
I do not believe the US should be protecting this rogue state of terrorists, we should stop all financial and military aid immediately and see how they fall.
If the terrorist state of israel wants to murder innocents let them do it without my tax money.





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