Why is it that people think we cannot CRITICIZE ISRAEL? Israel is NOT A RELIGION, It's a Nation..wi, page 6


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reply posted on 1-8-2012 @ 12:41 AM by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

This is another line that is always used in these threads. Criticizm of Israel does not equal hate of Israel. That being said, Israel has been exposed as the Apartheid state that it is. If you don't like that then too bad, sometimes the truth hurts.

There are plenty of threads agains Iran, China, Russia, Syria and you never hear "this is just another hate Iran thread". The only other country who is immune from criticizm on ATS is the USA. Just another USA bashing thread



I disagree, we don't slam other countries as we do Israel. We don't have people constantly post everything that they can use as propaganda towards their anti-Israel agenda. It's like a constant flow here on ATS and there are so many other countries that do much worst.

Case in point...With all these people who post about Israel go look at their history and you will see nothing but Israel posts. They are not reporting anything else around the world, and that my friend I see as anti-Israel propaganda...hence why I say "oh another I hate Israel thread..."

It's the Middle East and if one looks around there you just might find that they are all crazy and Israel is no worse than all the other countries around them...then we can look at many countries in Africa that makes the Middle East pale in comparison in just how crazy a group of people can get.

But we don't and we just play a broken record about Israel...really makes me wonder where these posts are coming from...

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reply posted on 1-8-2012 @ 01:19 AM by rootbranch2012
A Few Forgotten Facts

1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

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reply posted on 1-8-2012 @ 05:36 AM by Corruption Exposed
Originally posted by MidnightTide
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Shhhh...it is ok. I am gonna log off for the day, you and your buddies can go back to your sales pitch.




U mad bro

I'm off to work but it's not in sales.

See you later


reply posted on 1-8-2012 @ 09:30 AM by SuperFrog
Originally posted by rootbranch2012
A Few Forgotten Facts

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What are you getting at?


During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.[7] The oldest part of the city was settled in the 4th millennium BCE.[1] In 1538, walls were built around Jerusalem under Suleiman the Magnificent. Today those walls define the Old City, which has been traditionally divided into four quarters—known since the early 19th century as the Armenian, Christian, Jewish, and Muslim Quarters.[8] The Old City became a World Heritage site in 1981, and is on the List of World Heritage in Danger.[9] Modern Jerusalem has grown far beyond its boundaries.

Jerusalem has been the holiest city in Jewish tradition since, according to the Hebrew Bible, King David of Israel first established it as the capital of the united Kingdom of Israel in c.1000 BCE, and his son, King Solomon, commissioned the building of the First Temple in the city.[10] In Christian tradition, Jerusalem has been a holy city since, according to the New Testament, Jesus was crucified there, possibly in c.33 CE,[11][12][13] and 300 years later Saint Helena identified the pilgrimage sites of Jesus' life. In Sunni Islam, Jerusalem is the third-holiest city.[14][15] In Islamic tradition in 610 CE it became the first Qibla, the focal point for Muslim prayer (Salah),[16] and Muhammad made his Night Journey there ten years later.[17][18] As a result, despite having an area of only 0.9 square kilometres (0.35 sq mi),[19] the Old City is home to many sites of tremendous religious importance, among them the Temple Mount, the Western Wall, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa Mosque.



* en.wikipedia.org...


Your facts don't work well with history, and most importantly don't approve violence today.

ps. In the future would be nice if you can state resources for your facts. This will improve conversation and you might decide not to post some of fabrications you did in that post.


reply posted on 1-8-2012 @ 10:07 AM by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by rootbranch2012
On that day, God made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Giga#es and Yevusites.” (Genesis 15:18-21)

“And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your temporary residence, all the land of Canaan as an eternal possession and I will be a God to them.” (Genesis 17:8)

Originally posted by SuperFrog



The problem with quoting Scriptural "pieces/parts" to support your theo-illogical stance, is that you may have missed the bigger picture. I have have read on in the story, and know beyond the shadow of a doubt that these promises were made as YHWH was courting His future Bride, Israel. The land was a sort of dowry, but in time, after they eloped at Sinai, Israel sinned and went whoring after other gods/husbands. YHWH properly divorced her and kicked her out of the house (land of Canaan). Neither Israel nor Judah nor the Jews have any claim to the land from the standpoint of the land covenant. The covenant will not be renewed until Jesus takes the bride as His again, and that is yet future. The Jews have cleverly set themselves up as the fulfillers of prophecy, and subverted theologians, Bible teachers, Sunday school lesson-writers, and many others. It strikes me as more than coincidence that Christianity has been on the decline since 1948, and it seems the USA has been too, even though Israel-Firsters insist that if we support Zionist-Occupied Palestine, we will be blessed. Come again? Clearly, we are cursed.
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