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Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
I hate to insult but in your source, there are thumbnails of other images, including one showing a KC135 refueling two jets using the same dual pod drogue system that you just called photoshop.
www.airforce-technology.com...
edit on 31-7-2012 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
I hate to insult but in your source, there are thumbnails of other images, including one showing a KC135 refueling two jets using the same dual pod drogue system that you just called photoshop.
www.airforce-technology.com...
edit on 31-7-2012 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)
Thanks, good pic. But I can't fathom the dynamics of the mating of the two pieces of equipment, it is one of the hardest operations to accomplish flying - with a singe craft refueling on a mainly rigid boom from the KC-135.
Those two lines look like they would swing about in the wind incredibly, and still I believe if they could possibly align the nozzle would push away such a lightweight line.
Color me incredibly skeptical due to the physics, aerodynamics and speeds/weights involved.
If you could show me a video of it actually happening or explain how to overcome the physical challenges I mentioned above I probably could be convinced.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by vkey08
Thanks Vkey, you have proven it can be done, irregardless of the fact the tanker identity in the video can't be determined.
My other question is, now why would a small region in France own KC-135 tankers? Wouldn't any NATO committments etc be handled by the French air force?
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by vkey08
So you don't believe in chemtrails? You think all those lines in the sky that persist for hours are just regular contrails? I mean it is no secret the USG has been interested in geoengineering since the 40's.
You think all those lines in the sky that persist for hours are just regular contrails?
In fact that's how you can tell the difference between a (theoretical) chemtrail and a contrail. Chemtrails quickly dissipate, but contrails sometimes persist for hours.
Originally posted by Uncinus
Contrails often persist for hours if the conditions are right. It's physically impossible for them not to.
ONLY contrails could persist for hours, as the mostly consist of water that is already in the air. Any chemical spray would quickly dissipate.
In fact that's how you can tell the difference between a (theoretical) chemtrail and a contrail. Chemtrails quickly dissipate, but contrails sometimes persist for hours.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by Infi8nity
Thanks for your input!
Ya, I love all these other explanations, yet I was around in the 70's, 80's, and for then and part of the 90's contrails NEVER looked like they do today. They used to dissipate after several minutes and never hang around for hours.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by Uncinus
Contrails often persist for hours if the conditions are right. It's physically impossible for them not to.
ONLY contrails could persist for hours, as the mostly consist of water that is already in the air. Any chemical spray would quickly dissipate.
In fact that's how you can tell the difference between a (theoretical) chemtrail and a contrail. Chemtrails quickly dissipate, but contrails sometimes persist for hours.
So you're saying that metals like aluminum oxides and barium oxides will disperse more quickly, and water vapor can persist for hours? Aren't the oxides heavier than water vapor, which would make them disperse more slowly?
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by vkey08
So you don't believe in chemtrails? You think all those lines in the sky that persist for hours are just regular contrails? I mean it is no secret the USG has been interested in geoengineering since the 40's.
Contrails often persist for hours if the conditions are right. It's physically impossible for them not to.
ONLY contrails could persist for hours, as the mostly consist of water that is already in the air. Any chemical spray would quickly dissipate.
In fact that's how you can tell the difference between a (theoretical) chemtrail and a contrail. Chemtrails quickly dissipate, but contrails sometimes persist for hours.
Originally posted by 3danimator
Yes, and as we knowt Jet engines, wing technology, fuel mixtures and the height that planes fly at have not changed AT ALL in 30 years. Nope....it cant possibly be that.
It HAS to be an impossibly huge government conspiracy to poison us and, oddly, the very same air the guys in charge and their loved ones breathe. Yeah. That makes MUCH more sense.
/sarcasm (for all you slow people)
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Uncinus
In fact that's how you can tell the difference between a (theoretical) chemtrail and a contrail. Chemtrails quickly dissipate, but contrails sometimes persist for hours.
And there you have it, the goal post have moved again. That's fantastic friend, for years, at least 8 years, it's been "only chemtrails can persist for hours" and now, once enough of us posted enough basic science for you guys to grasp, now it's inverted.
the very thing that distinguishes a chemtrail from a contrail is now flipped.
amazing. simply amazing the mental gymnastics required for this theory are getting too much even for me.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by 3danimator
Yes, and as we knowt Jet engines, wing technology, fuel mixtures and the height that planes fly at have not changed AT ALL in 30 years. Nope....it cant possibly be that.
It HAS to be an impossibly huge government conspiracy to poison us and, oddly, the very same air the guys in charge and their loved ones breathe. Yeah. That makes MUCH more sense.
/sarcasm (for all you slow people)
How about this for all you "quick" types: have the thermodynamic properties of water vapor changed over the past 30 years?
Originally posted by 3danimator
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by vkey08
So you don't believe in chemtrails? You think all those lines in the sky that persist for hours are just regular contrails? I mean it is no secret the USG has been interested in geoengineering since the 40's.
Contrails often persist for hours if the conditions are right. It's physically impossible for them not to.
ONLY contrails could persist for hours, as the mostly consist of water that is already in the air. Any chemical spray would quickly dissipate.
In fact that's how you can tell the difference between a (theoretical) chemtrail and a contrail. Chemtrails quickly dissipate, but contrails sometimes persist for hours.
Ummm...WHAT?? For years we have had to listen to chemtrailers bulls*it about chemtrails lasting longer than contrails. Which one is it? You guys are so deluded its hilarious
Originally posted by Uncinus
Being heavier, if anything, will make them disperse quicker, as they will fall faster.
Think about every chemical trails you have ever seen sprayed from a plane - mosquito spraying, corexit, sky writing, fuel dumps - none of them hang around in the air very long. Even sky writing is gone in twenty minutes. The ONLY trail that can persist for hours is a contrail - and that's because it continues to grow - the ice crystals actually get bigger. Anything else is just dust or smoke, and dissipates like dust or smoke.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
At high altitudes I would think dispersal was more dependent on the effects of wind rather than gravity, and wind effect would be proportional to particle SG, more pronounced in water vapor than metal oxides.
Most actual spraying I have seen, as mentioned above, was all from 1000 ft or lower, so of course I would expect particles to settle out of the atmosphere more quickly at 500ft rather than 30,000 ft.
Most ice crystals, especially in warmer seasons, would stop growing as they reached lower altitudes and the air temperature went above 0C/32F and would melt - which is why we get rain instead of snow in the summer and why hail is extremely rare, or at least used to be. You example only makes sense in winter time.