Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by flyswatter

The problem is that your time spent on this Earth still doesnt trump explained and verified science.

But hey, I'll give you an A- for effort. At least you're sticking to what you believe, even if it is wrong.

Thanks for your evaluation your opinion means so much to me. And this "explained and verified science" is the same one that took 30 years to tell us smoking was bad? Not to mention a thousand other "fails"? So I guess the hundreds of accredited scientists that go to chemtrail conferences have nothing better to do with their time? Thanks, but I'll stick with personal obsevation and experience.

edit on 30-7-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: addition

I'm not going to knock the chemtrail believers themselves, because I dont know them as people. I'm just saying that they (re: you included) are wrong.

The videos that you posted are of scientifically verified phenomena. We know what it is, we know what it is not, and we know what causes it. I have yet to see you post anything that cannot be explained and proven by either scientists or aviation experts.

Here are some great shots of a typical chemtrail set-up, this has only one purpose, and is not used for fighting fires or aerial refueling or anything else:





Legend:

A - Propeller on the front of the pod drives an internal generator or pump. Based on the shadows under the plane, we can determine this image was made sometime around mid-day.

B - Funnel-cone with an exit port mounted on center of engine exhaust for additional spraying capability. Exhaust that exits here may not necessarily be superheated air, as most of today's engines are high-bypass designs for maximum thrust and efficiency. The engine could have been designed to have a fresh-air channel running straight down the center. This would be important when spraying biological agents in order not to destroy them.

C - Semi-circle black lines along the bottom are probably air intake screens. Being on the underside of the pod, they would be exposed to the high pressure flow of air under the wing.

D ­ Afterbirth: Curve of pod mounting strut almost matches that of the plane's wing, but is not quite perfect. No aircraft manufacturer would ever release a plane with the large gap in the mount that we see here. This pod was clearly manufactured by a third party.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by liejunkie01

So does that put you in the same category as the sailors of years ago that thought the earth was flat?

After all they sailed the seas every day and night and they thought that you could just sail right off of the ends of the earth.

That was their personal observation and experience.

No, they hadn't seen the end of the earth, whereas I have seen contrails and chemtrails.

It is the difference between observation, experience and reasoning; versus belief in superstitions to explain unobserved but rumored phenomenon. Next.

I cant believe you just wrote that. How are your observations not a belief in superstitions created to instill fear into the ignorant to make profit?

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
Then your gonna love this pic...

I love that pic
I've got that one in my ATS uploads somewhere. I've got a few others I uploaded a while back when discussing the iridescence that can be seen in contrails (especially aerodynamic contrails).

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Anyone who says these are just regular "contrails" either has trouble with reality or has some kind of agenda.

I guess I have an agenda then My agenda is to deny ignorance

And there is a lot of that ignorance in your OP. You have shown that you do not understand the basic physics behind contrail formation. If you did, you would know what an aerodynamic contrail is and how it forms.

Do you think this is a chemtrail as well?

Hint: It's not a "typical" contrail, as it does not consist of ice crystals, as the aircraft is flying at a relatively low altitude.

What you see is water droplets that have condensed in areas of low pressure. The main areas of low pressure are found in the wing tip vortices, flap vortices, and directly above the wings. As the air pressure drops, the air can no longer hold the water vapour present in the air (the local relative humidity exceeds 100%), and visible water droplets are formed. These do not form long lasting, persistent trails like some contrails made from ice crystals at high altitudes, but they do demonstrate the well known and documented properties of water in our atmosphere. The same properties which explain exactly what you have shown in your OP. Aerodynamic contrails.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
The fact of the matter is hundreds of scientists around the world are conducting seminars and doing research papers on chemtrails - this is easily determined with a simple Google search - they wouldn't be doing this on "contrails"

Your claim of "fact" is more than a little dubious, but I'll keep an open mind. Most scientists will write a paper or an article on their theories to show their hypothesis, their methods, and to discuss their conclusions. Google scholar is a fairly good resource for locating such papers, and you seem to approve of google so lets have a look.

If you go into google scholar and search "chemtrails", you come up with approximately 182 results. Not bad, even if all the top hits are horrible attempts at "science", but that's a whole different thread. Now try searching for "contrail". 10,600 results! These articles are written by many different scientists from many different institutions from all over the world over a wide time frame. Yet again, your claims that you present as fact are woefully lacking in factual substance and easily disproven.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
So of course anyone is welcome on this thread, but don't expect a response from me if you are going to attempt to argue these are just normal "contrails"

A non-response would probably be wise after your attempts at posting a picture of a fuel tanker and claiming it is a "typical chemtrail set up". At least you won't display such ignorance if you don't respond.

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