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Originally posted by snakebit
reply to post by asher
you say tomayto, i say tomato.
black and white, good and evil, female and male, dog and cat. reality. duality
i do also agree that duality is human nature.
Originally posted by R0CR13
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Everything is Energy .
.. here is what a lot of people in this thread dont get .
And that means Consciousness which we experience first hand is a quality an essential character of the Universe ..
Everything is Consciousness Driven .
Reality is a perspective of Consciousness based on the variables from the perspective of the observer.. the self ...
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Originally posted by CompisMentis
Although i believe in nothing that has not been proven for facts by science, i have to disagree with that statement.
If there is indeed more than 3 dimensions we have absolutely no way of knowing what laws apply to them.
Originally posted by BlueMule
reply to post by Reasonous
Exactly the sort of thing that coppertops trapped in The Matrix would say.
Those of us who have been outside of The Matrix, metaphorically speaking, KNOW how much more there is than the measureable. Sorry but I'm not going to bow to your altar of the objective.
edit on 31-7-2012 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by R0CR13
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reply to post by CompisMentis
look up Logic and Deduction .. learn it then apply it ..
The key to your mind set is in your own words
"I fail to see "
You nailed it ...but you knew that .
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Originally posted by CompisMentis
reply to post by BlueMule
Those of you that have been outside of the physical world and 3rd dimension amuse me. How is it that only a certain minority visits the outer world...
But the problem with a contemplative claim of this sort is that you can't borrow someone else's contemplative tools to test it. The problem is that to test such a claim—indeed, to even appreciate how distracted we tend to be in the first place, we have to build our own contemplative tools. Imagine where astronomy would be if everyone had to build his own telescope before he could even begin to see if astronomy was a legitimate enterprise. It wouldn't make the sky any less worthy of investigation, but it would make it immensely more difficult for us to establish astronomy as a science.
To judge the empirical claims of contemplatives, you have to build your own telescope. [...] And it is not work that our culture knows much about.
and talks about it and not a single scientific.
Originally posted by BlueMule
Talks about it? Pfft. Words blow. Words are for cowards and nit-pickers and fools.
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Originally posted by Reasonous
reply to post by R0CR13
An "essential" quality is one that must be present in order for the object to maintain it's identity as that object.
It may be essential for humans to have consciousness, but not the universe. What about the time shortly after the Big Bang when the fundamental particles that make consciousness possible didn't even exist?
For consciousness to be "essential" to the universe, there could not have been any point in time when consciousness did not exist- which is clearly false. The organisms required for consciousness can only come into existence through a process of evolution toward from simple things to complex.
Originally posted by Reasonous
Originally posted by BlueMule
Talks about it? Pfft. Words blow. Words are for cowards and nit-pickers and fools.
edit on 31-7-2012 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
IF you could somehow tell me that without using language then I will consider the argument.
Until then you might want to consider that you are using words to tell everybody how much they suck. It's not very convincing.
Originally posted by TheJourney
You heard it right! I am sorry to disappoint all you spiritual people out there. Everything is physical! There is no such thing as transcendence of physicality. What we call spiritual existence, or higher planes of reality, are simply more complex, and more subtle, levels of physical reality.
Originally posted by TheJourney
Your thoughts, your dreams, are physical phenomena. I cannot claim to accurately describe the exact mechanisms behind the physical reality of thoughts and dreams. Let me just propose one possible degree of extreme subtlety, to help you conceptualize. Suppose that thoughts, and mental images such as those in dreams, create a disturbance at the atomic level. As you think things, and your emotion changes, there are changes to your atomic configuration. You can see how at least this level of change must occur.
Originally posted by TheJourney
If you consider that, not to mention changes at a neural level, which is a much larger scale, then let us think of the implications. Your conceptualization of this is probably under the particle interpretation of reality, yet there is a wave-particle duality to take into account. Physical reality is really both wave and particle, depending on how you look at it.
Originally posted by TheJourney
If we consider the alteration at the atomic level previously spoken of in wave-form, the implications become more clear. ....
Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by TheJourney
Where is your proof. To say something doesn't exist you also need proof just as those who say something positively exists need proof. Stay neutral and keep your opinions to yourself and you need no proof at all. Mankind is far from understanding much of reality. Science is proven wrong everyday.
Originally posted by Reasonous
If it is objectively undetectable, immeasurable, and unverifiable, then it is nonexistent or unknown for all intents and purposes.