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Topic started on 30-7-2012 @ 02:37 AM by ProfessorT

G4S guard labels hero "baby killer".

www.thesun.co.uk

AN Olympic guard faces the sack for spitting at an Army hero drafted in to boost security — and yelling: “Baby killer.”
The Asian G4S worker flipped as he patrolled an archery contest at Lord’s cricket ground with the Afghan veteran.

A source said: “This security guard was ranting and raving at the soldier.

“He was trying to defuse the situation but the guard was going crazy. He spat at the soldier and screamed at him. He was calling him a baby killer.

“He left the soldier in no doubt he meant he’d been responsible for children’s deaths while serving in Afghanistan.

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reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 02:37 AM by ProfessorT

This story is absolutely shocking. This poor soldier must have felt awful in front of those that witnessed this. G4S and their reputation are going down the drain at the moment. I always respect military personel whenever I'm out and about and see them. My grandparents were in the military and it's a long family tradition! I'm hoping this lunatic does get sacked.

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reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 02:41 AM by DaTroof

Well, he's probably right.

How many children have been slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan?

**** the military. They have no respect from me.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 02:51 AM by Britguy

Question: the military person is labeled a "Hero"? What heroic act has he performed?

Seriously, people need to stop calling anyone in uniform a "hero". It's just so pointless and meaningless, but gives the flag waving faux patriotic tabloids something to cheer about I guess!

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:09 AM by EvanB

Originally posted by DaTroof
Well, he's probably right.

How many children have been slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan?

**** the military. They have no respect from me.

The soldier was an engineer.. They build infrastructure, roads, bridges, make clean water available, clear bombs and other ordinance etc... In fact, they do more good in a week than you have in your entire little life.. People like you get and deserve no respect from me..

That G4S guard would now be in hospital having his views reinforced if I had seen it...

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:10 AM by EvanB

Originally posted by Britguy
Question: the military person is labeled a "Hero"? What heroic act has he performed?

Seriously, people need to stop calling anyone in uniform a "hero". It's just so pointless and meaningless, but gives the flag waving faux patriotic tabloids something to cheer about I guess!

Have to agree.. Most squaddies find this moniker very embarrassing..

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:14 AM by DaTroof

reply to post by EvanB

Engineer, medic, grunt... still part of the war machine.

Also,you don't know about my philanthropic work, so you can keep your opinions of my societal worth to yourself.

And... your juvenile statement that you would somehow assault a security officer shows me your intellectual level.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:21 AM by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by EvanB

Engineer, medic, grunt... still part of the war machine.

Also,you don't know about my philanthropic work, so you can keep your opinions of my societal worth to yourself.

And... your juvenile statement that you would somehow assault a security officer shows me your intellectual level.

Well he could keep it to himself, he chose not to, and I share his opinion of you.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:23 AM by phroziac

Well, g4s scrapes the bottom of the barrel for guards all the time. Since they failed so majorly at finding enough warm bodies to fill these positions, i guarantee we will hear more of this. I go to a lot of chemical plants that use g4s, and have had issues with quite a few of the guards. most problems were simple incompetence which was easily dealt with by me being patient. One chick tried to get me fired from my job for no reason!

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:42 AM by Kastogere

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by EvanB

Engineer, medic, grunt... still part of the war machine.

Also,you don't know about my philanthropic work, so you can keep your opinions of my societal worth to yourself.

And... your juvenile statement that you would somehow assault a security officer shows me your intellectual level.

Did you ever come to think that maybe you are part of the problem and not the solution? While I agree that most soldiers do not deserve the hero label, you have to understand that being a soldier comes at different reasons as to why one would pursue such a job.

In the end, all you are doing is keeping the tit for tat alive and reinforcing the views of those that are easily programable to serve as such. It is my assertion that most soldiers like most antiwar monkeys tend to serve the same master as it were.

Humans do all kinds of dispicable things in life...judging a soldier for the likes of what everyone else does anyway in society is a little of the pot vs the kettle.

And honestly I don't care how much good you spread...Im sure it made a difference for a few seconds in time but thats about it.

What we need is more war for everyone...so that those who are opposed to war will have no choice but to experience it, and perhaps develop another point of view as to why it happens, and what can be done to keep it from happening ever again collectively.

Until that happens, all your really doing is passing an opinion without a common frame of reference.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:45 AM by Sek82

It's very telling when you look at an incident like this and see who remains calm and who doesn't.

Take DaTroof's response, for example. He instantly lashes out at the military in a general stereotypical way in reaction to this thread - This is a common knee jerk reaction here and is comparable to the out of control G4S guard in question.

By the way, the word hero is indeed overused these days, that I'll have to agree with.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:48 AM by DaTroof

reply to post by Kastogere

You're entitled to your opinion, but I personally find providing food and medical care for those who desperately need it to be far more important than "killing bad guys."

You want to be in a war? You must be like 16 years old. Every veteran I am related to or acquainted with has said it was the biggest mistake in their lives and they will absolutely forbid their loved ones from enlisting.

You think we need the experience of war? I'm sorry, but that's the most juvenile and ignorant thing I've ever read. Enjoy your life, I will not be talking to you ever again.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:56 AM by djyorkie

reply to post by Britguy

Must say, I have to agree with you on this.
Those in the army choose to do this as a living, so why should they be given the label "hero" just foe joining up?
There are many people out there who do a job just as worthwhile, if not more, who do not get this label until they have done sonething truely heroic...
Firefighters, coastguards, nurses, care workers and many more.. Where is their heroic label?
Just because someone has been trained to kill, and is helping to spread "democracy" to lands that are not a threat to us, does not make them a hero.
Yes, it isnt very professional of the guard to flip out like this, but isnt it down to G4S to ensure they are not employing volatile people?
Yes, give the guy the sack, but I tip my hat to him for being brave enough to stand by his own morals. At least he isnt being a sheep, and bottling up his feelings and thoughts. After all, do we really know why he had this outburst? Maybe he had family somewhere, that had been killed by these "heros".. Who knows?

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 03:58 AM by foxhoundone

The fact that the young (royal) engineer kept his cool and did not react in a malice way says alot of this generation of young guys/girls standards,
Considering hes had his overdue leave cancelled because off some £200.000 plus COE from G4S not furfilling his side of the contract paid from the public purse strings.

This young man is a credit to his nation and the British Army and i hope his commanding Officer rewards him with promotion or a mention to the Brigade Commander.

As for the fella doing the ranting and raving hope he gets the book thrown at him by the local police..

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 04:06 AM by HumanCondition

While the army is responsible for the death of millions of innocent people including babies..
Its not right to blame the individual.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 04:08 AM by Common Good

You would think he would have come up with something more creative than "baby killer".

There would be no Olympic games if it were not for your soldiers- no matter what country you are from.

These type of people really annoy the hell out of me.

The politicians do the bidding, and the young soldiers end up having to pay the price. A lot of times with their own lives.

Ignorance usually prevails in this world, and people hold onto it with everything that they have.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 04:14 AM by drwizardphd

Originally posted by Common Good

There would be no Olympic games if it were not for your soldiers- no matter what country you are from.

I don't agree with calling the guy a baby killer, but can we please stop pretending that the troops are actually protecting our nation and our freedoms? That's a pretty tired old line at this point.

We know what's going on in the middle east. Our freedoms were never at stake.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 04:15 AM by notkmarx

"hero", "patriot" and "miracle"
what do these three words have in common?
they're so overused that they have begun to lose meaning.
calling every soldier that ever put on a uniform a "hero" cheapens the word
G4S "soldiers" are hardly the paragon of humanity.
honestly sounds like he had a chip on his shoulder.
or an axe to grind.
just my opinion

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 04:26 AM by woodwardjnr

Why did the Sun feel it was important to expose the ethnicity of the man who spat at the soldier? If it had been a white person, would they have mentioned his ethnicity. The Murdoch gutter press still race baiting as ever.

No one should be spitting on anyone. It's a disgusting thing to do. Many of these soldiers have given up holidays to pick up the service G4S failed to provide. I imagine G4S have all sorts working for them. Doesn't seem they cared too much bout the credentials of those they employed.

reply posted on 30-7-2012 @ 04:29 AM by Kastogere

reply to post by DaTroof

Tsk tsk....so quick to anger....you sure your not geared for war?

let me be abundantly clear.....I am not 16, I have survived war, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

But

I find war necessary in some cases and i love chaos as in chaos I feel like I have purpose. If I had a choice to live in a world controled by a cabal who leaves me in monetary slavery, or be in a war brought on by the decline of said system that controls us....

I choose war, because at least then I would be free of the chains that bind society and I would have a choice how I die. Besides...a little unnecessary violence is needed from time to time. It keeps the human ego in check....apparently yours is not.

When you run into reality tell him I say hi!

Let me know how saving the world goes for ya...heh...and you call me ignorant.

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