Romney: Jerusalem Capital of Israel

Originally posted by Lucius Driftwood

An illegal country doesn't deserve a capital.

reply to post by cetaphobic

 

Define illegal. Illegal as in recognised by the UN? The Palestinians weren't pushing for any kind of national sovereignty before 1948. Palestinian people are arab migrants from surrounding arab nations that influxed into a dustbowl. The country was a desolate wasteland until the Jews turned up.

Ohhh so that's what made it ok for them to commit genocide on the Palestinian people and lock them up in ghettos...
If only Hitler got his work recognised by the UN.

reply to post by deckdel


Blame the the million of Muslims flooding those countries

Tel Aviv is the financial capital of Israel. Jerusalem is it's defacto capital and seat of it's government. It's parliament meets in the Knesset chamber in Jerusalem.

Both Obama and Romney are correct in stating Jerusalem is the capital. It's just taboo to say that in the face of the Palestinians who also claim it as their capital.

Romney is just doing what every politician has done before him, going to Israel to be appease and curry favor with AIPAC. His speech to them went something like this:

"Yada yada yada Jerusalem. Yada yada yada War with Iran. Yada yada yada Great health care you got here, reminds me of Romneycare. But shhh, let's keep that our little secret, tee hee."

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Then,

what's with the State Dept saying it isn't ?

Originally posted by cetaphobic
An illegal country doesn't deserve a capital.

Illegal country
People are to much

reply to post by xuenchen


A lot of country's don't recognize it either. Mostly over how the Israeli state annexed East Jerusalem.

• Positions on Jerusalem (wikipedia)
  
• The Knesset (wikipedia)

The UN in it's original designation of Israel made Jerusalem an "international city". Israel during the 1967 war annexed East Jerusalem and declared it their capital. That's why the UN doesn't recognize it formally as the capital, but still lists Tel Aviv as the capital. The UN states:

"any actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem are illegal and therefore null and void and have no validity whatsoever, and calls upon Israel to cease all such illegal and unilateral measures."

So it's taboo for Romney (and Obama before him) to go off and say "Jerusalem is the capital of Israel", when the city was in fact seized in war (even if that war was launched as an act of aggression against Israel). It defies the original UN charter calling for an Israeli state in 1948 which clearly states Jerusalem is to remain a Holy City belonging to the international community, and greatly undermines the chance for peace between Palestinians and Jews. When our politicians say that they are just pandering to AIPAC and Israel for votes and money.

reply to post by deckdel

Regarding France & Germany, I believe this has a historical origin.
In the past, both countries were christian, France was catholic and Germany 50/50 catholic/protestant (just a rough number, which varied greatly with time).
So were many other European coutries by the way.
And due to their catholic/protestant status, the pope (in case of catholic countries) had a huge influence, he could even overthrow some kings (by driving two catholic countries against each other),
So, removing the "christian" part in the state name, made these countries "independant", free from religious influence, I mean free from the influence of just 1 guy (the pope).
Religion still has great influence in some countries (Spain, Italy, even Germany). I am not talking about Greece as I am not sure how influential is the orthodox church there, but I strongly believe it to ne huge (e.g. check out how the church is so rich and still does not pay tax in debt-riddent Greece).
For example in Germany there are many kindergartens managed by the churches (catholic or protestant), and they check out whether you are paying your tax to the correct church, in case you want your child to go tó that kindergarten.
This is the reason why France passed a painful law in 1905 (painful as in lots of fight over it), which clearly separates religion and government.
Don't forget that Europe, and mainly France, is the craddle of the philosophical "lights", who asked for more freedom.
Religion was very repressive at that time, which is what drove these countries to move away from religion.

This is nothing new.

A slimy politician trying to appease the homeland of the people he hopes to collect all the votes from come November.

When all is said and done, and somehow by some miracle he wins the Presidency, he'll do nothing. Since well, giving promises when your'e a candidate is easy, not when you become POTUS and realize there's far worse # that needs to be worried about.

Calling Jerusalem capitol of Israel is just plain stupid political game and against UN resolution that finds Israel occupation of Jerusalem unlawful. *

It is beyond silliness that every USA candidate for president HAS to verify its support for Israel, almost like they going to be presidents of Israel, not USA. Rest of the world (part that we don't care much here) said clearly what they think about Israel and its politics more then once, and we (USA) are mostly only supporter of terror in middle east. **


* United Nations Security Council Resolution 478

** China Says Romney's Comments on Jerusalem Wrong

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Are they running for President of the UNITED STATES or the President of Israel???

Did you call Obama out when he made his campaign speeches in Germany? No?
Why am I not surprised.
Obama's Berlin Campaign Speech
Is he running for President of the UNITED STATES or th President of Germany?

It's hilarious that some Republicans are more concerned about other countries rather than our own:

It's sad that you don't understand that our Middle East foreign policy if very important and that a POTUS must let Americans know exactly where he/she stands in this area. He fulfilled this by making his speech where he did. He made himself very clear.

Just as I thought, political game to get support for his (fail) case.

The presidential hopeful doubtless believes this standard-issue, superiority-complex racism – and that it's what his donors want to hear. Romney was, after all, only in Jerusalem to assure rightwing Israelis that he is an even bigger fan of their peace-quashing ways than President Obama. Sitting next to the Republican candidate at that Israeli hotel breakfast was American casino-billionaire Sheldon Adelson, who bankrolled Romney's visit and has indicated his readiness to part with $100m (£63.5m) for the Romney campaign. Adelson thinks that the Palestinians are an "invented people", supports Israeli hard-right prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu and vigorously opposes a two-state solution, so we can presume that Romney's remarks were designed to help him reach for his wallet.

Or perhaps, when the Republican visitor noted that Palestinians were stumped by "a few other things" he was just using internationally recognised shorthand? Maybe he meant "things" like Israel's 45-year occupation, which has kept a chokehold on Palestinians, while at the same time creating a captive market for Israeli products, boosting the occupier's economy. Maybe he's parsing for "things" like the checkpoints, barriers and roadblocks that thwart movement of Palestinians and products – and thereby railroad any attempts to revive an economy. And he couldn't possibly have referenced "things" without it also alluding to America's generous aid package to Israel, the largest annual recipient of US financial assistance and whose military aid was upped just prior to Romney's visit. *

Guardian - Mitt Romney's insult-the-world tour excels in picking on the Palestinians

reply to post by KarmaComa

For example in Germany there are many kindergartens managed by the churches (catholic or protestant), and they check out whether you are paying your tax to the correct church, in case you want your child to go tó that kindergarten.

Just a minor correction: you only have to pay the church tax if you're a member of a state church. My sister- and brother-in-law send their kid to a church kindergarten and they're not members of the state church. (He was in fact the pastor of a free church for a little while!)

Easy for Romney to pick on the Palestinians. They have been labeled terrorists by the West and there's little they can do to stop it when every attempt they make to establish governance is cut off at the knees by their friendly neighborhood bully.

One state's right to exist is not inclusive of any right to completely demolish and demoralize another.

Mitt's glaring historical illiteracy is astounding for someone who thinks they're fit to run the US. His comments that Jewish culture is responsible for Israel's success, and the Palestinian culture for their failures, is a disgusting attempt to score points with a domestic Jewish community wary of a dude who is so obviously out of touch with reality. Its chillingly recalls a recent vice-presidential candidate who thought (and probably still thinks) the Queen runs England. Lets not forget the billions provided to Israel in annual aid by US taxpayers.

Eventually the Arabs in the region will vastly outnumber Jewish Israelis and when that time comes, I can only hope that one party's existential fear of self-annihilation doesn't result in the annihilation of everyone.

Kudos to Mitt on perpetuating the growing international disbelief of the disconnection from reality in American politics.

I've always seen Israel as a kind of virus sucking on the life and soul of Palestine.

Palestine needs to be cured before it's too late.

Not much really matters because american jews approve of Obama well over 60% to Mittens 30%.
Not that I support either clown.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by xuenchen

 

... and people say Romney flip flops!

Originally posted by cetaphobic
An illegal country doesn't deserve a capital.

There is no country of 'Palestine' therefore Jerusalem is the Capital of the soverign country of Israel.

I could be wrong as Israel isn't me strongest subject matter, but I thought Israel was legally a nation, but they are illegally occupying certain territories.

They fought a war and beat the arabs and kept the high ground as they should; they shouldn't have to give up anything they earned it and won it fair and square.

reply to post by xuenchen


Here is an old one from Obama, his minions wanting Jerusalem to cede....

www.israelnationalnews.com...

reply to post by SuperFrog

United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, adopted on 20 August 1980, is one of seven UNSC resolutions condemning Israel's attempted annexation of East Jerusalem United Nations Security Council Resolution 478#External links. In particular, UNSC res 478 notes Israel's non-compliance with USNC res 476[1] and condemned Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law which declared Jerusalem to be Israel's "complete and united" capital, as a violation of international law.

That was 1980. There is a US law under Clinton:

The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995[1] is a public law of the United States passed by the 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. It was passed for the purposes of initiating and funding the relocation of the Embassy of the United States in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, no later than May 31, 1999, and attempted to withhold 50 percent of the funds appropriated to the State Department specifically for ‘‘Acquisition and Maintenance of Buildings Abroad’’ as allocated in fiscal year 1999 until the United States Embassy in Jerusalem had officially opened.[2] The act also called for Jerusalem to remain an undivided city and for it to be recognized as the capital of the State of Israel.

Wiki

So US official stance is that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. This was done under Clinton.

That means, when a US citizen looks at Jerusalem, he is right to call Jerusalem it's capital. Those under the UN, without separate acts don't recognize it, so an outsider telling a US citizen that they are wrong for going with their own Acts? Nutters!

Israel AND Palestine must share the land. That is the stance of USA., regardless of how the holy site is termed.

The details will have to be worked between Israel and Palesine. Belligerance, fights will NEVER resolve such issues, with both Israel and Palestinian comman masses the ones to suffer the most. Let the bloodshed and bloodfeud end. Generations had already passed. We came with nothing and will leave with nothing anyway....

For those who often accuse US of siding with ZIONIST, lets make things clear once and for all. US is only siding with Israel because:-

1. For centuries, the jews had suffered in the hands of racist humans, and millions of them were brutally bullied and even slaughtered. It will end here and now. USA and the free world will stand against any bullies who strut their stuff with small nations, just as USA stood by the rest of the world against Hitler during WW2.

Today, Israel is surrounded by muslims, many of the peaceful muslims whom were whipped up into religious fervor by the greedy for power and bloodlus few militants whom are nothing more than ancient barbaric opportunist brigands.

These Brigands care not for religion, nor how the People will live to progress when Israel is destroyed. They care only for their own greed and delusions, and the world can rot and die. This had happened throughout the course of human civilisation, and are evidences. The decadant and barbaric Ottoman Caliphate is the best and recent proof.

US support of Israel is not because americans support zionism, but only fellow human beings against greedy militants whom had lied and garnered massive support against that small state, out of power and bloodlust. Religion was only an excuse, a distraction and a sideshow for them to achieve their aims.

May the Israelis too, be aware of why USA supports them. It's not because of zionism, chosen people, or whatever bull. It was simply USA will not turn away and let fellow humans be slaughtered, just as USA had not turned from Europe, South China Sea, Africa, Libya and now fighting hard to get world wide consensus to help Syria end the bloodbath there.

And the Palestinians are not neglected too, But they must be realistic and be serious about sharing the land, and not demanding that the Israelis be pushed into sea.

Most Palestinian common masses have no such demands. Only the drug crazed bloodlusting militants within Palestine wants that, and it is them that is hampering peace, along with the jewish hardliners insistance to build settlements on occupied lands, land won only because the opposition were weak and lied to by bloodlusting militants.