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Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by The Old American
Collectivists: Not doing anything on their own since...ever.
You can only go so far with the butterfly effect until it gets ridiculous.
/TOA
You've never done anything on your own either. That's the whole point.
You can call me a collectivist all you want. You're typing on a computer that you (most likely) had no means to create yourself. You were educated by somebody at some point. You drive on public roads and walk on public sidewalks.
You wouldn't be speaking a language right now if it wasn't for 'collectivism'. 'Collectivism' is the reason human beings stopped picking fruit and started hunting in groups. 'Collectivism' is the reason we built cities, and governments. The founding fathers were 'collectivists'.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by flashtrum
Well assuming you don't own a robot army you built yourself, it's true. You never build a business on your own. Otherwise you'd never have to hire anyone.
Originally posted by tkwasny
I believe many interpret "trickle-down economics" to mean because one person has a lot of money, they GIVE it away to the poor. That was never what it meant. How many people making $30K a year are going to hire YOU for a $30K a year job? If someone makes a lot of money, they will invest it into their company to make it grow which will require more people to be hired. The "trickle-down" effect is the presentation of additional OPPORTUNITIES for the poor to get a job because someone had invested capital. Trickle down never was some welfare or charity benefit of wealth redistribution either voluntary or forced.
Originally posted by milominderbinder
Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by The Old American
Collectivists: Not doing anything on their own since...ever.
You can only go so far with the butterfly effect until it gets ridiculous.
/TOA
You've never done anything on your own either. That's the whole point.
You can call me a collectivist all you want. You're typing on a computer that you (most likely) had no means to create yourself. You were educated by somebody at some point. You drive on public roads and walk on public sidewalks.
You wouldn't be speaking a language right now if it wasn't for 'collectivism'. 'Collectivism' is the reason human beings stopped picking fruit and started hunting in groups. 'Collectivism' is the reason we built cities, and governments. The founding fathers were 'collectivists'.
Correct. The computer everybody uses to type on here uses an the x86 technology developed for NASA and the packets of data are sent down a network protocol established by the Department of Defense.
...and people whine about their precious tax dollars.
Originally posted by The Old American
What I believe Obama meant to say:
"There are a lot of poor, downtrodden Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been on welfare, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so dumb. There are a lot of dumb people out there. It must be because I worked much less than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of lazy people out there.
/TOA
Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
I've always been kinda 'poor'... and I don't see what all the hubbub is about. Never once did it cross my mind that receiving some form of 'welfare' was ever appropriate. It's pretty sad when people hop on the 'welfare' train... because the next stop is a long time after their departure from responsibility. Granted, there are always circumstances that arise, but cmon!
I know a guy who claimed bankruptcy 4 years ago, due to his own actions... owns 3 houses, rents 2 of them out, owns the largest house in his neighbor hood, has a nice swimming pool, hot tub, pool table... ultimate bachelor pad... and this a-hole is on food stamps? Not to mention, the 4 other people living in his current residence are on food stamps! Every single last one of them could be working, but no... They can get the government to pay for their food, give them cash even, lower their electricity bills, lower internet bills.... and all sorts of other craziness. So basically, there are 5 people... sitting around, nerd herding the internet, eating non stop all day and contributing absolutely nothing to society.
They chose this, we made it possible... time for change!
I demand! lol.... Mandatory drug tests by every single individual who uses welfare!!!
Even if all drugs were legal, still... this vice keeps people poor, and even with government money... they remain poor! I'm getting soooo sick of paying for other peoples addictions with taxes.
I'm addicted to cigarettes, at $5 a day, x 30, that's $150 a month... lets say I make $300 a week at some crap job... 1200 a month... left after taxes... 800(if lucky)... then pay rent at $500 a month for a crap room, another 200 a month in random utilities and phone... omg I'm left with only $100!!!! But I smoke $150 a month on them!!!
How will I ever afford to live?!?! Foodstamps!! and Money from the government!!
Or... quit smoking, and find different means that are in accordance with my wage?!!?
Ahh... prosperity hidden in the shadows...
What I'm getting at... is, Who wants to buy me a pack of cigarettes?
Nobody!
Somebody helped to create this atrocious American system that we have that allowed you to stay poor
www.examiner.com...
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.” (Emphasis added.)
On TV, Republicans are saying, "those are the words he said, he said those words so it's not a lie to say he said them because he said them." And he did. He also said the other words, which -- when you read them in order -- tell a much different story. If you have a business, you did not build the roads on which your customers drive to get to your store.
You did not build the electrical infrastructure that makes sure your sign lights up. You did not conduct the research that scientists did to create the plastic polymers that are used in the product you sell. THAT is what he was saying. And it's time our American media stopped being so lazy and told the whole story.