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Originally posted by Xaphan
I'm not Christian, nor do I belong to any religion, but this is a futile argument because Christians are just going to say "Well, god gave people free will. There will always be good and evil deeds because we are allowed to make our own choices."
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by yourmaker
Originally posted by BlueMule
Where was God in Aurora? You're no doubt referring to the kindergarten, exoteric, orthodox concept of God that Joe Sixpack refers to. When you have a grown-up concept of God to ponder, let me know.
Is that the one that allows all forms of suffering to learn lessons?
I'm not sure, please elaborate.
Like I said, when you have a grown-up concept of God let me know. You might start by studying comparative religion, comparative mythology, and comparative mysticism for a few years.
Originally posted by blamethegreys
I'm only gonna try once, with an analogy, to rebut this ugly and distasteful OP.
Replace the whole "God's Will" with advice.
If God were a river guide, trying to teach you (in a different boat) how to navigate a river, He would call out instructions and advice, right?
You are free to take his advice or ignore it, listen or not. The results of your actions can put you on a good line when rapids come along, or pin you in the trees or against a boulder. Is it the guide's fault you didn't listen?
If the guide were to rush up and pull your boat out every time there was a problem, you would never learn anything except that the guide would bail you out every time.
From a religious point of view, this life is a time of trial (learning) for mankind. It is not the end of our existence, but an important event along an infinite timeline. No one makes it out alive, but how we live while we are here is what matters. If God were to intervene every time something bad happens there would be no trial, no spiritual growth...only a reliance upon God to keep the peace.
In the last moments of those men in the theater who died shielding their loved ones the culmination of how they lived became apparent. We all die, but how many of us will die with that kind of honor and love?
Originally posted by mythos
reply to post by wylekat
though i understand the backlash against the Dogmatic, Fundementalist aspects of Christianity very much so... i still must assert that Spirituality, in all its forms (including the Abrahamic traditions) is far too complex a topic to write off wholesale, especially when it is used to help cope with grief.
must the cold, harsh glare of the Logical mind neuter any & all forms of mysticism from our Human Experience?
Christianity, when followed well, produces people like Desmond Tutu, and Mother Theresa. saintly folk who have done more for this world then my lazy a$$ can ever hope to achieve. if these folk are inspired by the Story of Christ, then who am i to say poo?
again, i am not a Christian. in fact... i am Wiccan, a tradition whose ancestors where persecuted by Christians, and too many aspects of that creed unnerve me (the fact that God is a man & a he irks me to no end), and yet, there are those who find solace and genuine inspiration in the compassion that Christ teaches. i say, blessed be on them.
and Woe to those who abuse Spirituality for their own manipulative gains.
PS check out my posts on other threads. you will find i am usually first in line to call an Evangelist to task... primarily because they are being absolutist in their statements. most atheists are absolutists as well, a thing that irks me almost as much as those who propose that God is a white dude with a white beard that doesn't like gay people.
anyhow... Goddess Bless.
Originally posted by ReadyPower
What I find annoying is how the religious always 'thank god' for anything good happening, then something like the shootings occurs.. and instead of blaming god they just say "Oh I will keep you in my prayers"
Um, hello... you don't think ANY of the people killed or injured prayed for safety for them and their families? Didn't do much good.
Originally posted by wylekat
Too bad the boat is leaky, there's piranha in the water, It's storming, and god thinks we're all on a merry jog thru the Alaskan WIlderness, INSTEAD OF IN A FREAKING BOAT!
Life SUCKS out here in the wasteland of poverty and racism, lemme tell you! But who listens to us po folk. Not the well to do believer, that is for SURE.