"You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some
higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because
they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged."
-Michael Shirley

The NWO are globalists of different stripes.. and depending on
which faction is sitting during the final round of musical chairs
will determine the kind of world we end up living in.

Many of the posters here seem to think surviving the NWO is to
run and hide. The main battle is fought for the minds of people,
and if the people make sure any "government" authority knows
it WILL be held accountable, then the main battle will be won,
and a world where anyone need hide won't develop.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

No offense intended, but you live in your mind too much.

You say this, then you say this:

First.. the reason people have guns is to prevent the sort of thing
you describe.

Second.. the police will be on your side, not the side of the illegal
government that is implied by your description of their actions.

Third.. the masses would move on Washington, all the officials
causing the atrocity you describe would be hanging from lamp
posts on street corners before the week was over.

Fourth.. each state would reaffirm it is a sovereign. Central
government officials everywhere would be hunted down and killed.

You're funny mate.

Maybe you should get out more. The religious conservative groups
of the country just re-elected Bush on the basis of morality. (Go
figure.. but that IS one of the reasons given).

What you describe will not happen.

Maybe you should read the date this thread was posted.

*Sigh*

I did notice you started the post before the elections. My point
about Bush being re-elected is that the scenario you outlined
did not come to pass.. that the elections might be delayed.
Does not that reduce your concerns a bit? I know that in your
country the people have already allowed the government to
take your guns.. so you do indeed have much to worry about.
My response was more from the US citizen perception. There are
still enough people in the US who will fight back when the
government here goes over the line taking their freedoms.
My four points are a more likely scenario in the US before the
people decide to run and hide, IMO. To be prepared is always
a good idea.. I have a few wayside places myself set up for
that contingency. But most freedom loving people in the US will
take as many of the bastards with them as they can if it comes
to going down in a fire fight. A dictatorship NWO may yet take
over the world.. but they would pay dearly for it.

I would end up joining a resitance force, even if we'd end up being obliterated. At least I'd be able live the rest of my life free and fighting for it.

I did notice you started the post before the elections. My point
about Bush being re-elected is that the scenario you outlined
did not come to pass.. that the elections might be delayed.

Of course the scenorio has not come to pass. If it had, we would not even be here. The scenorio, is one of many, and the most likely, that can usher in marshal law - a staged, mass casuality producing terrorist attack. The rest of the scenorio deals with the possible worst case on the aftermath of the enforcement of marshal law. This is so that we can prepare for the absolute worst, and therefore would be prepared for the less than worse too.

Does not that reduce your concerns a bit?

Mate, I just saw tanks appear at an anti-war protest. I just saw groups of people call for a civil war against Bush. I just saw Kerry talk about civil war happening. Do you think I am still concerned? You bet I am!

I know that in your
country the people have already allowed the government to
take your guns.. so you do indeed have much to worry about.
My response was more from the US citizen perception. There are
still enough people in the US who will fight back when the
government here goes over the line taking their freedoms.

In my country the people were never allowed to have guns. In my country, not only is it illegal to carry a weapon, it's even illegal to defend yourself with any article that can be used as a weapon. So yeah, if the same happens here, we are scewed. You are indeed lucky that you can have guns, but I don't know for how long, once marshal law erupts, in all likiness you will be asked to surrender them.

Let's be realistic here. You have guns and rifles? They have armies, tanks, helicopters, figher jets and hi-tech weapons, like electric cannons, sonic weapons, chemical, biological and tactical nukes. Heck, there are even rumours of them having laser weapons. This is why it is foolish to fight, because all that guarantees is certain death.

What are you going to do? Say 10,000 Americans, armed with guns, gather on streets to challenge the NWO might. This is how easy it is to disperse them; hit them with sonic weapons, that produce unbearable and painful sound, the people will run in every direction in absolute hysteria. Not one casuality will be inflicted on the NWO.

The enemy is vastly superior, remember that, running away and hiding is now cowardly, it's intelligent. As long as you are alive with your ideals and convinction in liberty intact, you are winning the war against the NWO. The next day, it will be your preserved values that will rebuild society. A sure way to die, is to do what you say, go out there and fight them, in an obvious display of bravado. That only works in movies, not in reality. The moment you step in the NWO's line of fire; GAME OVER

My four points are a more likely scenario in the US before the
people decide to run and hide, IMO. To be prepared is always
a good idea.. I have a few wayside places myself set up for
that contingency. But most freedom loving people in the US will
take as many of the bastards with them as they can if it comes
to going down in a fire fight. A dictatorship NWO may yet take
over the world.. but they would pay dearly for it.

What you need is a Third World War, because only that will weaken the NWO. The people, with their pistols and rifles, will do as much damage to the NWO, as a bee sting does to us.

You win the war by surviving, not dying.

That's what my whole site is getting into: pyramid housing, cleaned-up air, container gardening, garment production from raw fibres, economical eating, chemical avoidance.

Please send me all your best links, okay?

Indigo_Child,

Naturally one wants to choose their battle ground, and 10,000
Americans in the streets armed (only) with guns going up against
NWO military power is a no-win scenario.

Strategy is essential. One would not hit the arm that holds the
club (soldiers in NWO pay with their hardware), with
expectations of winning the war. But there would be
unavoidable confrontations, that is why people should learn
about rocket propelled grenades, how to make mortars, and
design and build wire guided missiles. Why they should adapt
their vehicles to quick conversion to support heavy arms. Why
they should learn how to make explosives, and use them
effectively. How to build flame throwers. The use of chemical and
biological protective clothing and gear. You and other freedom
fighters may have ethical considerations. Your enemy won't.

You describe how to survive like a mouse hiding in a hole to
evade the stalking cat.

Learn how to run and hide, if that is your wish, but
also how to FIGHT!!!

I suggest as a start obtaining the training manuals used by the
US armed forces. Study the strategy and tactics of the German armed
forces of WW 2. Learn everything you can about guerrilla
warfare. An additional advantage of doing this you will learn
how soldiers survive and evade capture in enemy territory.

Learn about the hardware NWO forces will be using, and
counter measures.

Learn a soldiers equipment. Everything from clothing
to arms to communications to hygiene to medicine, an
so on.

Do you get what I'm saying yet? Hope for peace, but
be prepared for war.

It would be wise to learn only that is necessary for your survival, and that is accessible, including self-defence. Rather then overloading your brains with unrealistic junk information. Do you seriously expect the common man to build or be able to acquire wire-guided missiles, grenades and explosives. Even if he could, do you think they are going to be reliable, effective and is he going to be able to deploy them against the NWO?
To put this into perspective, your suggestion is as realistic as reading a book on open-heart surgery and going out doing it.

There are websites online that gives recipes for homemade explosives, and only the truly foolish person is going to try building them. The least you want is to lose a limb, or two, out of your overconfidence.

Sure, a working knowledge of guerilla warfare and military tactics will come in handy, but again such skills cannot be learnt in books, they are learnt by experience. If it were that simple, no one would have to train in the armed forces, they could go out and read a book.

Here is a more realistic plan for your learning: which again cannot be mastered by books, but at least it lays a solid foundation for action.

1. BASIC SURVIVAL SKILLS; using a compass, lighting a fire etc
2. GETTING AND PREPARING FOOD AND WATER
3. FINDING SHELTER
4. MENTAL CONTROL; relaxation, meditation, stress-managament etc
5. FIRST AID
6. EXTREME WEATHER SURVIVAL
7. LEADERSHIP, INTERPERSONAL SKILLS AND COUNSELLING - You will need this to be able to deal with volatile people you will inevitably encounter as well as to motivate and organize group and useful plans of action.
8. HIDING

Learn this, and you are likely to be more useful to yourself and others. When a situation of direct NWO confrontation presents itself, then you will need good judgement, common sense and luck. The NWO forces are trained in whole range of martial arts, military arts and have at their disposal weapons that makes it much easier for them than it is already.

[edit on 12-11-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Please do not declare which weapons you are taking with you here, especially here, where your intents are obviously not considered sound by certain powers.

Well then maybe I should just clear that up straight away...We are taking weapons for the express purpose of feeding ourselves and for self-defence should the need arise.

If you know how to use one, I suggest you get a map compass, used with a map, it will tell you bearings etc. I personally have no idea how to use one, but I picked one up at the local camping store a few days ago.

Done. Thank you.

I am not sure what Beta Light is

I have found references to Beta Crystals in the Magic game. Other than that Google brought up sites about Titanium, and making chocolate among others. Perhaps it was a joke? I'll send a U2U and ask....

You can probably get this mosquitto repellant from a camping store, either locally or online. You can also get mosquitto sprays and creams. I also recommend a mosquitto net and hat.

We got the incense and mosquito netting. We wont use most creams or sprays as they contain chemicals that have actually been fatal to children. The other ones we have tried that were more natural didn't work very well so I don't see the point. I have found something that works pretty well. Avon Skin So Soft. It has been my experience with this product though, that for some people it works very well and for others it works not at all. I know it sounds silly but I guess its the best we can do.

Also we are looking for information about roadless wilderness areas in the US. There isn't much info about where these places are located since not many people use them.

Still looking. Someone mentioned Oregon but I live in Oregon and can't figure out how to find these areas. I will call the Parks Service tomorrow and see what info they can give me.

I have recently got Iodine tablets, and I also got some extra tablets that neutralize the taste of Iodine and the Chlorine, to make the water more palitable. The other alternatives, is to carry a water-filter with you or an appratus to distill the water - as in boiling it, collecting the steam, then condensing it into water.

Anyone know how many drops of bleach per gallon of water? I found the info on a survivalist site awhile back but now that I need it....I can't find it.

I have had a few dreams of NWO, and basically what happens everytime; I am in the city, and all of a sudden, mass chaos erupts, it is declared on the news that the NWO has taken effect, and then swarms of helicopters appear all over the skies, and even start firing at us. There is pandamonium everywhere, and a huge exodus of people form, trying to escape, many being taken in by police forces, or shot at by helicopters. Amidst all this chaos, I am completely terrified for my family. I try to find them, but I never see them again. I find a people with a Carvan, and they take me with them.

I know many people who have had similar dreams. But we live in a part of the US that is considered extremely liberal. People around here are exceptionally conscious of the government's efforts to control the minds of the people. Some say we have all had similar dreams because it will happen and that knowledge is within the universal consciousness. Some say it's just bcause we are all worried about the same issues.

You sound like a lot of people, do you have enough food to last you all several months, let alone several years?

No but we do have enough food to last until we can grow what we need and our pigs grow up.

Yes, I am looking for seeds too. Yes, I am trying to keep my dog silent too, but my dog has the habit of barking loudly whenever he suspects someone is approaching our house. I am considering anti-bark training tools?

They probably work and while I don't like things like that in general, I can see where an exception might have to be made under the circumstances. I also have a small child. We have been teaching her for months now to be silent. We call it the quiet game. Someone in the family just declares it silent time and no one makes a sound until the game is over. She's really good at it. Obviously, we don't want her to be traumatized by a hand over her mouth if it is necessary to hide so we devised the game. I imagine some people will be offended by this but we believe we would be doing her a disservice by not teaching her....just in case. She thinks its a game at this point and she is very good at it so it's been good for her self esteem.

Also, get yourself a pack of cheap lighters, and a flint lighter. You will need these items to remain informed and to provide you light.

We made 1000 waxed matches. Only took us an hour or so. No lighters. Where we will be there wouldn't be a place to dispose of them. We also got flint and an iron striker. And we made our own fire starters. You fill a cardboard egg crate with lint from the dryer and then pour wax in the side of it till it is almost full but there is still some lint covering the top of the wax. Let it dry and it's a fool proof way to start a fire. We wanted to make sure that in case we got seperated, those in the group who have never had to start a fire wouldn't have any trouble.

I think you should wait a little, if you go too soon, you are wasting time, resources and group morale. For all we know, something may not happen untill 2006.

We wont go too soon. We will go exactly when we are supposed to. No worries....

I have done everything I describe. And I am an
ordinary man.

"Sure, a working knowledge of guerilla warfare and military tactics will come in handy, but again such skills cannot be learnt in books, they are learnt by experience."

That is why there are training camps.

To each his own. Everyone rises to their limitations.

As you believe, so you limit yourself. Everything you say is true,
but don't exclude the possibility that you CAN do everything I
describe as well. The fact that you are making such intelligent replies
is evidence that you have not even come near what you would be
capable of in a survival situation.

1. Nobody gets out of here alive in ANY case.

2. The only way an individual can feel SAFE is in at least a small group; and every small group must have a CREDIBLE ALPHA leader or it will fragment.

3. Leadership only works insofar as it receives accurate information, or REMEMBERS accurate information about stalking, hunting and gathering. A newbie in the woods is bear-food. The bear or wolf pack or predator cat already KNOW where to trap a hapless 200-pound "meal." That's why they're still alive. They KNOW the land, inch-by-inch, on foot. That's all they do, is track, track, track.

4. Building shelter takes time and money resources. It also makes one vulnerable to attack from "on high" because shelters are seldom invisible.

So, we have a conundrum here. Anything we try to do to survive can be overcome by circumstances in a matter of HOURS.

So, now what do we do?

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
(snip)
So, we have a conundrum here. Anything we try to do to survive can be overcome by circumstances in a matter of HOURS.

So, now what do we do?

See my previous post.
Questions like what you ask just beg for obtaining the
military training manuals I mentioned earlier.

This thread is quite long--nine pages.

On what page is the url by which I may obtain such a manual?

Please.

Well, if your going to settle in some remote boreal forest, I hope you can make a good meal for yourself, It'll be hard. I think hiding and waiting out the war in a small group of thirty or fifty would be a great decision, but these people must be recruited based on there skills. Also, one should realise that hemp and certain types of algae are fast to grow and highly nutritional. One could live on the two, they are vary hardy plants.

Hmmm. It doesn't have much to say about merely surviving out in the woods--just sniping skills. I don't see any pictures of ad hoc camps, sanitary facilities on the run or food rations.

Did I overlook those things somehow?

We have alredey a 7 groups of pepole joining our survival guild and and we have a litle armury about 3 ak 1 m4 2 magnum sniper riles and 5 9mm guns from the soviet times so we are readey(sp?) and 3 things

1.im scared for my mom dad sister and dog if anyone gets taken or killed il do 100 procent hari-kari how can i ensure for them saftey?

2.From Latvia where is the safest place to go?

3.Where can we get strong and light body armur

My survival plan:

Win the lottery
Build a bunker equivelant to Bert's in the Tremors movie
Have the same food storage that they did in "Blast from the Past"
Live underground for about 10 years



There ya go.

Based on where I live, the local access to survival gear and foods, I'll just stick with my previous tactic:

Prayer.

And let's see where that goes.

I feel so sorry for our soldiers--stuck way out the hell in Iraq and spread halfway around the world--and they can't come home to help the rest of us.

What a crock. Ever wonder how many soldiers in Iraq are deserting?