Originally posted by HarmoniusOne
My family and the group who I will be traveling with spent the day today going through this thread and trying to apply all the information to our
plan. So far we have all the items mentioned except the following:
I am glad this thread has been such a great help for you. I am glad you are preparing and ready. However, perhaps you should wait, because, if you go
too soon, you will use up resources unnecessarly. It does not seem eminent right now. Unless I have missed something.
Guns- we are taking bows, arrows, knives, swords.
Please do not declare which weapons you are taking with you here, especially here, where your intents are obviously not considered sound by certain
Compass- we do have a compass but it was suggested that it be liquid filled with luminous button. We are wondering why this particular type?
If you know how to use one, I suggest you get a map compass, used with a map, it will tell you bearings etc. I personally have no idea how to use one,
but I picked one up at the local camping store a few days ago.
Beta light- where do we find these?
I am not sure what Beta Light is, but I can recommend you a tactical flashlight. I recently got a high intensity flashlight, the Maglite 4D, which is
bright enough to cause obstruction to night-adapted vision, and being 12 inches and sold shock resistant metal, it's a potential baton. However, what
I really recommend, is a surefire G2 with a P1 lamp. These flashlights are more than 4 times powerful than a 4D cell, and produce some 60-120 lumens
of output, bright enough to momentarily blind. It is so bright, it could light up your immediate area like a helicopter searchlight. They are very
bright even at a 2 mile range. However, if you get one, you will need to use it sparsely, these lights only last an hour at maximum brightness on
expensive lithium batteries. It is a good idea to own a few flashlights for specific purposes.
There was an incense mentioned that repels bugs. Which type of incense is this and where is it available from?
You can probably get this mosquitto repellant from a camping store, either locally or online. You can also get mosquitto sprays and creams. I also
recommend a mosquitto net and hat.
Also we are looking for information about roadless wilderness areas in the US. There isn't much info about where these places are located
since not many people use them.
I have no idea, as I've never been to the US. However, America is a huge country. Just drive very far from the city, into the mountains areas that
typically serve as backdrops, and make it your home.
Water purification tablets- One of us is allergic to iodine and so the standad tablets are out for us. We understand that you can use bleach
drops but then the water has to stand without a lid for 24 hours before drinking so the chlorine can evaporate. We don't know how many drops per
gallon. Anyone have this info?
I have recently got Iodine tablets, and I also got some extra tablets that neutralize the taste of Iodine and the Chlorine, to make the water more
palitable. The other alternatives, is to carry a water-filter with you or an appratus to distill the water - as in boiling it, collecting the steam,
then condensing it into water.
Indigo...You mentioned a dream about the NWO. I believe some people dream the future at times and so am curious about the content of your
I have had a few dreams of NWO, and basically what happens everytime; I am in the city, and all of a sudden, mass chaos erupts, it is declared on the
news that the NWO has taken effect, and then swarms of helicopters appear all over the skies, and even start firing at us. There is pandamonium
everywhere, and a huge exodus of people form, trying to escape, many being taken in by police forces, or shot at by helicopters. Amidst all this
chaos, I am completely terrified for my family. I try to find them, but I never see them again. I find a people with a Carvan, and they take me with
The other dream I had was truly horrific, it was the rape of a married asian woman I know, by police forces, which oddly enough is shown LIVE on
television, it shocks the entire nation, everyone sees it - but the next day, everyone just turns a blind eye to it, they just pretend it never
happens. I then see that in every part of the city there are buildings saying Paramilitary, and they terrorise many foreign families, even breaking
into the house of an old woman, who locks all the doors, and hides inside. They smash her doors down, a group of police forces just flood into her
house, and they burn it, with her alive. Later, I think I am pleading with these ignorant and selfish people to do something, but everyone is either
too scared, cannot careless or actually condones what the government is doing. Then, the same happens as I seen before, the entire city is brought
into the wraps - and helicopters appear. I escape them, and a van with friendly people, who know me, save me, and drive off. Later, somewhere, I am
reunited with my family.
What is funny, my mom has had dreams of the NWO too, and she barely knows anything about it. In her dream, me and her, are in a camp, that is full of
many foreigners and immigrants, particularly muslims. Yet, they are our friends, and they promise us that we'll fight together. Then my mom see's a
flash of white light, and it's over.
Also, I am interested in more info about portable EM weapons. These could come in handy. If anyone comes across information about such
devices please post.
I was reading about EM weapons, and it turns out they are very easy to construct, and are potentially very destructive. There are fears that because
they can be built so cheapy($500 or less) they can become the weapon of choice of the poor man or terrorists. I found a site with schematics on how to
build a portable EM radiation weapon, they do not mean much to me, as I cannot make head or tails of them:
We are drying meat and fruit and vacuum sealing it. We also have nuts, seeds, granola, beans, oats, trail mix, etc. All vacuum sealed.
You sound like a lot of people, do you have enough food to last you all several months, let alone several years?
We are taking seeds to plant for next season but it is important to check the types of seeds you take with you as hybrid seeds do not produce
fertile plants. In other words, you will be able to grow for one season but the plants you grow will not produce seeds for the next season. You must
take organic idustry grade seeds. And once we have established our settlement (of sorts) we will send a scout out to beg, borrow, or steal two weiner
pigs. One male, one female. We are taking our dogs with us and are trying to teach them silence. As far as what the eat, we expect they will eat
what we eat. They are, after all, members of the family. But we are pretty sure they will take to hunting if they get too hungry. Obviously there
is concern about the initial days of such a journey and alot of thought has gone into what to take and how to survive. But what about after that? If
this turns out to be long term what other things do we need to think about?
Yes, I am looking for seeds too. Yes, I am trying to keep my dog silent too, but my dog has the habit of barking loudly whenever he suspects someone
is approaching our house. I am considering anti-bark training tools?
What else you should consider is probably already covered in this topic, get yourself some clothes for extreme colds, and some hiking boots. I also
recommend a survival book, and a first aid kit. If you are expecting nuclear, chemical and biological war, then it may also be wise to get gas masks,
radiation pills and radiation detectors. However, that is certainly expensive.
Take a wind-up radio with you, as well as a dynamo torch. Also, get yourself a pack of cheap lighters, and a flint lighter. You will need these items
to remain informed and to provide you light.
I think you should wait a little, if you go too soon, you are wasting time, resources and group morale. For all we know, something may not happen
[edit on 10-11-2004 by Indigo_Child]