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The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.37 per 100,000 people in the state. Big as that figure is, it's still down by 8% on the previous year. Other key findings include:
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by beezzer
The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.37 per 100,000 people in the state. Big as that figure is, it's still down by 8% on the previous year. Other key findings include:
This article is from 2010 so by last year they mean 2009.
www.guardian.co.uk...
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by beezzer
The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.37 per 100,000 people in the state. Big as that figure is, it's still down by 8% on the previous year. Other key findings include:
This article is from 2010 so by last year they mean 2009.
www.guardian.co.uk...
Thank you.
So removing/regulating guns does not stop criminals from using them.
The only other explanation has to be that government doesn't want people armed.
QED
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by michaelbrux
We're going to have to stop electing our enemies to our government then.
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by michaelbrux
We have traitors in our government. They desire a Communistic Plus (elements of Fascism to facilitate control to a central power that channels the power of business to make up the lack of revenues from a lowered class structure) One World Government. The United Nations is to be the One World Government and they need to Disarm not only the armies of the world but also the American people. The Second Amendment stands in their way. Any member of the US Government who tries to destroy it is an enemy of the Constitution and should be treated like a potential traitor.
edit on 29-7-2012 by CosmicCitizen because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by lonegurkha
Ok, so why can't I buy a nuclear weapon? You can't infringe on my right to arm myself right?
As for the militia, you seem to forget there are two views on that. Some proclaim militia refers to every citizen. Either way, as long as that word exists in the amendment you are going to have issues. Remove the word if you wish to remove those issues.edit on 29-7-2012 by antonia because: opps
Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by lonegurkha
Ok, so why can't I buy a nuclear weapon? You can't infringe on my right to arm myself right?
As for the militia, you seem to forget there are two views on that. Some proclaim militia refers to every citizen. Either way, as long as that word exists in the amendment you are going to have issues. Remove the word if you wish to remove those issues.edit on 29-7-2012 by antonia because: opps
Originally posted by lonegurkha
Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by lonegurkha
Ok, so why can't I buy a nuclear weapon? You can't infringe on my right to arm myself right?
As for the militia, you seem to forget there are two views on that. Some proclaim militia refers to every citizen. Either way, as long as that word exists in the amendment you are going to have issues. Remove the word if you wish to remove those issues.edit on 29-7-2012 by antonia because: opps
Personally i don't think that anyone should have nukes .....but if you have a couple of billion to burn have at it.
The national guard used to be the milita, but Bush changed all that didn't he.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
Furthermore, the right to Keep and Bear Arms is not limited to guns and/or small arms.
the Constitution probably never envisioned the existence of Nuclear Powered Subs and Aircraft Carriers or Ballistic Missiles but they are arms and the people have the right to bear them.
the military is under civilian control anyway and anyone trying to change that isn't going to have a very good career in American politics.
1. Allow law-enforcement agencies to confiscate more assault weapons like the AR-15 rifle used in the Aurora shootings by reinstituting a tighter definition of “sporting purposes” when inspecting assault weapons for import. President George H.W. Bush did this in 1989 to ban the import of assault weapons, using powers under the Gun Control Act of 1968, which stipulated that legal rifles had to be “suitable for sporting purposes.” Bush acted after a serial criminal killed five schoolchildren and wounded 29 others with an AK-47 assault rifle on Jan. 27, 1989, in Stockton, Calif. President Clinton expanded that action with a second executive order in 1998 banning firearm imports and ammunition from China. The elder Bush watched his son, President George W. Bush, preside over the persistent watering down of the “sporting purposes” filter to block assault-weapons imports—a policy Obama has perpetuated. Fifty-three members of Congress wrote Obama on Feb. 12, 2009, urging him to tighten the ban on assault-weapon imports. Obama has ignored such requests. “This continues to be a problem,” said Dennis Henigan, vice president for law and policy at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “Something happened under the second Bush administration, and that has essentially continued under Obama.” 2. Expand Obama’s new requirement issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives that gun shops in border states report customers who purchase two or more domestically made assault weapons within five business days. The courts have upheld the reporting requirement, and it could be expanded nationwide without congressional action. Gun-control advocates credit Obama for taking the initial step on tracking multiple sales in border states (where Mexican cartel violence has risen), but a national system could help make multiple assault-weapon purchases more visible and traceable. 3. Toughen licensing requirements on gun dealers to secure their inventories. Advocates say that Obama could easily take three basic steps: Require dealers to better secure firearms from possible theft, mandate background checks of gun-shop employees, and eliminate the “fire sale” loophole that allows gun dealers who have had their licenses revoked to sell off their inventory without compulsory background checks on those sales. Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., has written to Obama asking for this administrative-enforcement change. Obama already has used some executive power to expand the reach of criminal background checks for firearm purchases, which he touted in New Orleans, calling them “more thorough and complete.”
Originally posted by pistolerooo
The problem with banning and/or restricting the military style weapons like the AR and AK rifles is that it violates the 2nd Amendment. Our Founders knew that one day "We the People" might need to fight for our Right to Freedom, again. The Founders knew that a Tyrant or Dictator will use the military or Paramilitary force against their people to enslave them. However, as long as those in power know that there are more than 100 million guns, in the hands of it's citizens, they will have second thoughts about trying to rule us. This is The United States of America, we don't bow to Tyranny and we will not go down without a fight.