Can I?

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by notkmarx

 

Why do people think that rituals and magick always have to be demonic or satanic? Yes, they can be used for such things; however the ritual depends on the thoughts, emotions, and energy that goes into performing it. The Magick is simply the effect. There will ALWAYS be the Law of Cause and Effect. It is immutable. It is perfectly possible to create good rituals with good intentions, to create phenomenal results. I agree that the 'Illuminati' are using this for darker purposes, but do not base your judgement on miscreants.

i never claimed that such a ritual was "satanic" or "demonic".
i simply stated that just from that brief description that this process sounds dangerous.
what is the "good intention" of these "good rituals"?

reply to post by notkmarx


To help loved ones get better, healing purposes of the body, more along the lines of benefiting others instead of just greedy and selfish desires. You can perform rituals for crop growth, rain dances, and all kinds of things, other than for dark purposes of plotting against others.

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if that is truly the case then i wish your the best OP.
i hope you find what you are looking for in the Masons.

reply to post by KSigMason


I agree .. i shouldnt link the freemason with the illuminati
but i think some freemason went rogue to create a more secret society
that woreship evil

the only thing i hate from the freemason
is that they have hidden VITAL and most important info and tech
for thousand of yrs thinking that humans are not ready
their ego didnt want to share divine knowledge with the mass
they control most branch in the government and church
who are they .. the illuminati or the freemason

i seek only the Holy truth in this labyrinth of lies they have created
so sorry if i assumed to quickly things in the wrong orders
its the only way to find the truth

Originally posted by Ben81
its the only way to find the truth

nope. There is only one way to find the "truth". Join.

And then you can know all the "secrets we keep from mankind".

reply to post by network dude


I assure you; I highly intend to.

Just a show of hands, who recognizes these?

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Ben81
its the only way to find the truth

nope. There is only one way to find the "truth". Join.

And then you can know all the "secrets we keep from mankind".

Yes very tempting
but there is something in me that say Nope
because the knowledge i would then receive
i will need to share it with my peers

i think this is forbidden to speak about those secrets after you join
what happen to you if you speak and release secret info ?

this is why i would say no to any offer if i cannot speak about it after
keeping such info inside of you would be torture for me

reply to post by Ben81


In the true Mystery Schools you swore an oath of secrecy upon death to not reveal the teachings to the profane. It was their job to learn on their own. Whether this is still the case would be up for debate I suppose.

reply to post by Ben81


Then your only available play if you resonate with these 'truths' is to convince them to join as you were. Every horse must choose to drink from the trough freely.

One coal will not make a fire, but where a number of coals are heaped together, the heat which is latent in each may be kindled into a flame, emitting light and warmth.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Ben81

 

In the true Mystery Schools you swore an oath of secrecy upon death to not reveal the teachings to the profane. It was their job to learn on their own. Whether this is still the case would be up for debate I suppose.

I understand that
but this oath of secrecy is not in the best interest of humanity
i am a teacher after all .. been teaching people around me for a long time
so they can wake up to see our life is beautiful ... afterlife or no afterlife
we wouldnt be in such a mess if we were not mindcontrolled from our birth

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Ben81

 

Then your only available play if you resonate with these 'truths' is to convince them to join as you were. Every horse must choose to drink from the trough freely.

One coal will not make a fire, but where a number of coals are heaped together, the heat which is latent in each may be kindled into a flame, emitting light and warmth.

edit on 30-7-2012 by VeritasAequitas because: (no reason given)

If i was to join them .. i would make a new ager rule
the Golden Rule

FULL DISCLOSURE to all humans
no more messing around .. the disclosure was suposed to have happened a while ago
some aliens are very pissed they were "fooled" by those illuminati believing they would share important info with the rest of the world .. didnt happen yet
the show ancient aliens was to shut their mouth in some way
people are now more skeptic then ever thinking its just a show like jersey shore for entertainment

Damn im glad to finaly be in 2012 even if we are on the tipping point of last negative cycle
i see light at the end of the tunnel

reply to post by Ben81


Your afterlife really does depend on how much work you put into this life. This is one of the biggest lies perpetrated by the Church. Waiting on a life preserver never saved anybody. Simply believing somebody will take care of your problems is fallacy. You are in charge of your life for a reason people; it's called free will!

reply to post by Ben81


Have you seen the Matrix? Well that is life; some of these people within the Matrix are not ready to be woken up. That is why they must all come to the truth in their due time. I believe this is a good reason but maybe not necessarily the main reason they forbade you to speak of the teachings. The people must choose freely to partake of this knowledge.

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Ben81
its the only way to find the truth

nope. There is only one way to find the "truth". Join.

And then you can know all the "secrets we keep from mankind".

Yes very tempting
but there is something in me that say Nope

because the knowledge i would then receive
i will need to share it with my peers

i think this is forbidden to speak about those secrets after you join
what happen to you if you speak and release secret info ?

this is why i would say no to any offer if i cannot speak about it after
keeping such info inside of you would be torture for me

edit on 7/30/2012 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)

The only things I promised to keep secret are the handshakes and passwords. I can share anything else I learned. I and others here try to do just that, but the ignorant don't believe us so it's wasted. Plus, you don't know what to ask. You have no idea what we are about. It'a almost comical to watch people make stuff up to suit their preconceived notions.

I am only saying that you are caught in a catch 22. Since I am a mason, you think I am forbidden to tell you my secrets. If I tell you these secrets, you will assume I am lying to protect the real secrets, and you will disregard anything I say. So why say anything. It's wasted effort. If you want to learn and you truly want to know, you will eventually figure out that the only way for you to know for sure is to join. If you don't intend to join, don't worry about it. I assure you there is nothing in masonry that you haven't already heard somewhere.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Ben81

 

Your afterlife really does depend on how much work you put into this life. This is one of the biggest lies perpetrated by the Church. Waiting on a life preserver never saved anybody. Simply believing somebody will take care of your problems is fallacy. You are in charge of your life for a reason people; it's called free will!

Yup completely agree with you
thats why we create our own karma
it will follow you for eternity

but better be proud then ashame
even if life is a test .. each day are important
avoid making mistakes that could ruin your soul
the Creator has given everyone the freewill to choose the path they wanna take
you will be deceived and tested beyond words in this life
and all other life before .. but 2012 is the cummulation of what you have choose to become
Ascension to the 5 dimension .. negative energy is only the key to the 4 dimension and the third
follow the signs and the clues .. they are pretty easy to sense if you listen
your life work is not random but a big labyrinth to the light

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Ben81

 

Have you seen the Matrix? Well that is life; some of these people within the Matrix are not ready to be woken up. That is why they must all come to the truth in their due time. I believe this is a good reason but maybe not necessarily the main reason they forbade you to speak of the teachings. The people must choose freely to partake of this knowledge.

Again a completely agree with you
most people dont realise how deep the matrix run
there is actualy 2 matrix (that can sound crazy for some people i understand lol )
the first one is created by the illuminati since the roman empire
the egyptians, the mayans, the church and modern governments
the ancient were saved from previous disasters and they returned to earth
with their modern knowledge .. thats why they were so advanced

its all theorical until prooven i know but it would explain a lot
and why some people will never share the secrets about ourself and the full potential
all souls are potential god like being of great power and it can be found by spirituality
not occultism

reply to post by Ben81


Occultism is merely a misunderstood branch of Spirituality, and literally means 'hidden' or 'the hidden'. Again, not all practitioners of the occult, are 'Satan' worshipers.

reply to post by network dude


I have been prepared all my life since my first UFO that appeared in the forest near my camp
you know the feeling when you watch the sky and the constelation at night
i get in trance just looking at my favorite stars the ursa major
feeling the space is more home then earth but i will not regret this life

anything you will say to me
when it make sense i know it fast
science fiction had more truth that all the lies weve been swallowing since birth
most people that dont know the truth will think its crazy
im a Libra .. i can keep the correct balance
i know when its time to get the word out the vibes are there and the truth want to get out

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Ben81

 

Occultism is merely a misunderstood branch of Spirituality, and literally means 'hidden' or 'the hidden'. Again, not all practitioners of the occult, are 'Satan' worshipers.

Yes i know that
but it is "not recommended" to seek answers from the paranormal
the true path is with the Creator no other religion
spirituality is the key to the Holy Grail which is your HEART