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Main point is this: "freedom fries" may end up being what breaks the camel's proverbial back.
Originally posted by morder1
Well I had only heard about Waco in passing, and only knew that some people were killed by the govt, I didnt realize how many, and in what fashion...
A buddy from work had started talking about a book he found on Ruby Ridge, So I started looking into that, then he mentioned this documentary on Waco and WOW!
Its a must watch if you dont know what happened there... in America
Rough breakdown from my memory of watching this last night
A religious community known as the Branch Davidians in Waco Texas, their "leader"(I dont know if this is correct term) David Koresh was wanted on firearms charge, as the Davidians also owned a firearm shop, and a neighbor had alerted authorities of automatic weapon fire coming from the ranch...
ATF came to serve the warrant at the firearms shop and a firefight broke out,ending with 4 ATF agents dead, and 6 davidians dead...
A siege lasted for 51 days on the compound, bringing in tanks(for the first time on domestic soil), Blasting tear gas into the compound for 2+ hours in an area known to have the innocent women and children holed up... They used so much gas they eventually ran out and had to re-supply...
They also cut off water and power to the compound, leaving the people inside to live off rain water collected when it would rain... and even told the davidians they were not allowed to surrender, and would be dealt with in manor which they would have to run back inside for cover
On the last day of the siege, tanks were busting down walls(official story that they were opening up the building for people to escape, although nobody was a hostage). A fire broke out in 3 or 4 different areas within the compound and almost all the surviving davidians were killed in the fire, about 50 adults, and 20 children... with the official story being that they all committed suicide...
Its amazing how much evidence was lost, mixed up etc...
Anyways, here it is.
edit on 29-7-2012 by morder1 because: (no reason given)
The people demanded the place be checked out and Jim Jones has a U.S. Congressman executed on his way to his plane.
Ruby Ridge was it's own thing..and has nothing to do with Waco.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Ameilia
I was about 5 when Jonestown happened, but I don't see how that relates much. What people will stand for? The people demanded the place be checked out and Jim Jones has a U.S. Congressman executed on his way to his plane. That was the answer to people doing something. By the time Mr Jones would have gotten the American reply to shooting a Congressman in such a manor, well, he whipped up a batch of Cool-aid and the rest is history I don't recommend the images for after eating anything.
Ruby Ridge was it's own thing..and has nothing to do with Waco. Totally unrelated events except that over-bearing idiocy by the ATF (A-lways T-hink F-orfeiture!) started them both to different degrees and the FBI ended them both, also to varying degrees.
As for WACO... Well... before anyone gets too convinced they know everything that happened, I might recommend a book that covers one of the only direct and eye/ear accounts of what actually happened, up close and personal to the outer walls of the compound.
Cold Zero - Inside the FBI's HRT
The author was sitting yards from the outer wall of the Waco compound starting a number of days before the end came. The account from that side is detailed and there was audio those guys heard. Hearing that described is enough to leave me feeling sick. Anyway... It's funny how many details there always turn out to be on these things that never seem to carry over the years to accounts portrayed later.
edit on 29-7-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: Correction: Senator to Congressman on Jonestown Massacre
Originally posted by lambros56
reply to post by SGTSECRET
Yeah I watched this documentary and one about ruby ridge over a couple of nights last year and it totally sickened me.
How the hell do they get away with it.
I've never understood how Americans put up with all the killings by their own authorities.