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Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus.

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 07:00 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

Someone laughing over an epiphany sounds like something a crazy person would do. What's this huge joke you're laughing at? Can you explain it? Apparently not because you have refused to time and time again. It reminds me of the Joker, someone who laughs at nothing which makes him seem insane.

No offense.

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 07:08 PM
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

None taken, and just because that was my reaction/response doesn't mean it will be someone else's, which could come in the form of simple awe and wonderment. I just happened to detect humor in the idea that God could be so far ahead of everyone else, and so magnificent and utterly genius in his triumph. I was the laughter of knowing one has been punk'd by God at the end of time as we know it, along with the sheer joy of experiencing the domain of a hyperfreedom of which I had no prior conception, which came as a shock to recognize what it is that God has in store, and how much better it is than what we might imagine.

posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 08:42 PM
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

And don't worry, 3NL1GHT3N3D1 (that's a cool name, freaky almost) - if you haven't laughed, or cried, or vice versa, or both, yet, there's still plenty of time beloved child of God that you are, to this very moment, and forever in "time" (doesn't really mean anything anyway), and that's the beauty and magnificence of it, that we're still here!. It's note a "fuke" and neither is the track that was left for us to find in the fullness of time and history, where Biblical Prophecy and the divine order as a manifest creation, meet, right smack dab in the middle of human history, amid the rise and fall of civilizations.

There is where everything changed, at a very fundamental level for one among us, who's only desire was that in him his joy and ours might be complete in him and through the heavenly father. Unity. Oneness. And the higher serving the lower (not coming to BE served) to always and forever raise up what is lowly or corrupted, to increasingly higher heights of glory by which everything is transformed, and everything else, by comparison, rendered fundamentally lacking in Quality let us say.. (understatement of the ages).

The joke's on us, but with any further "insult to injury" allayed completely and utterly, by a Love that we cannot even begin to possibly imagine, but let us make no mistake that it is there, if any of what we've touched on in this thread has any meaning and signifance whatsoever, you be the judge (and I mean the whole readership and not anyone in particular).

posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 08:48 PM

The Day of the Cross

posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:12 PM
Love as Reason and Reason as Love

Everything that was made was made by the first father, for the son because of love (because I love you). Apart from this reason, this original intent, as the cataclyst to creative action, nothing was made. Love then, as the governing dynamic of the divine order and the reason for creation, and for a loved shared between father and son - is the first/last cause and the Alpha and Omega of creation. It is a love that by its very nature, is without measure; boundless, spaceless, timeless, yet infinitely reasonable (and infinitely intelligent).

And when the great circle of love which envelopes the whole of all creation, is joined at last, here on Earth of all places, in the joy that completes both His joy and ours making all our joy together, complete - in this completion, the sons of God (wherever they are) and the angels of heaven rejoice over the Prodigal Son / One Lost Sheep, returned/found,

Nothing stands in the way of truth and reason when it becomes completely apparent, and thus there is nothing really which can prevent or stave off the coming of the Spirit of God as the Spirit of Love and Reason, nothing that can stop the free flow of living water that wells up to eternal life, when that same circle is joined and then rejoined, time and again, in the same one Spirit of Truth and Life with Christ the Lord and with the Heavenly Father (first father of creation). It's the moment when God comes to live with and among us, with we as his children and he, our God. As Jesus understood clearly, there is nothing that is now hidden which will not be made known and brought to light and nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come. Therefore, let all who thirst freely come and all who hear say come, and freely drink the living water which is the flow of eternal life from life to life in eternity (never lost). Amen.

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 09:38 PM
Day of the Cross

I often wonder.. of ALL the planets in the present-moment living universe, inhabiting sentient, intelligent life (observers), how many (more than one...?) might have their single moon, perfectly exclipse their sun, whereby the shadow of the inhabiting observer planet, also perfectly encircles the visible moon's circumference..

And that's not the HALF of it..

Maybe things are even MORE solipsistic than I originally thought..

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
And just so that the whole thing isn't TOO ah.. narcissistically solipsistic (cosmologically speaking), Jesus Christ is as much the son of man as he is the son of God and the bright morning star, whereby we are all made, at least in potentia, in the image and likeness of God, and who although last (most recent), are first, and not to be excluded, but enveloped, as the Prodigal Son returned home at last, and the lost sheep recovered.

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?

while the morning stars (sons of God) sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?

~ Job 38

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
And frankly, it's what it says about us as human beings in the creation, intrinsic to a longggg cosmic evolutionary process, and as children of a loving God (see Phi Ratio Proportion) in the "heavenly household" of God as a first/last cause and as the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whereby Jesus made it all about US in the first place - that is equally if not even MORE astounding!

And we will come to know the truth, and the truth will set us free, and yet, if we are freed for his sake why then, we shall be truly free indeed!

"And as my father hath first sent me, even so send I, you."

Deny ignorance!

Tally ho!

NAM aka Bob

bump to get this on latest page for consideration (deep grokking).

All the Best,


edit on 26-8-2012 by NewAgeMan because: edit

posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 11:42 PM
reply to post by jiggerj

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by NewAgeMan

Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus

I would respond to this with irrefutable, scientific, rational logic, but I don't even know what it means!

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by jiggerj

Good question!

Magnum Opus, means Great Work, in this case as the culmination of the efforts of many over a very longg period, to realize an ideal of perfection, and complete the process in it's final realization.

Cosmological, is fairly self explanaatory and means of cosmic proportions, or universal.

Superdeterminism, I'm using that in a different sense from the standard quantum physics model term, which is used to invalidate Bell's Theorem showing transluminal interconnectedness or what Einstein and others called "spooky action at a distance", to mean, in this case - already established, from a first/last cause in eternity, or simply put, something that was inevitable, because it's eventuality was already imbedded, by design, into the creation, such that it could only arise, and be seen as having arisen, as a result of a creative intent, and a level of foreknowledge and high precision design-control, that can only have initiated already with the end in mind, from the very beginning, including, by extension, the formation of the entire universe itself, with earth and the human being included as an integral part of the big BIG picture, if you will, even yes as an cosmic evolutionary process. The point where God catches up with himself in the person of the son of God etering the scene to complete the previously "unfinished business", left only for he himself to complete. So a marker was left, in the divine order of creation by which Jesus was recognized by the Magi, and came to recognize himself as having a very special task to perform - his Great Work aka Magnum Opus, which has now been established at a point in time and history, which for all due purposes and in the grand scheme of things might well have happened yesterday as it did about 2000 years ago.

Hope that helps, but please, don't make it your task, your mission, to refut it, before fully considering ALL the information I've presented in this thread, and please, if possible bracket the tendency to simply react with the traditional anti-religious sentiment, because that's not what this has been about, and it may even stand in diametric opposition to organized religious authority for all we know, on that I can't say.

I'm trying to keep it honest, and insightful, not as something to be held up to ridicule by the standard atheist reaction/reasponse, which would be hurtful to me, to see my work here treated in that manner, as something small and petty, easily discarded as of no consequence whatsoever. Let's not do that I hope, so that said, all I ask for is an open mind and a willingness to consider things from a new perspective, absolutely free from any sort of prior contemptuous bias or set of presupposition prior to investigation, which in the words of Herbert Spencer, Scientist, is a certain way to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance.

Best Regards,


posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 11:55 PM
The last will be first, and the first, last.

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard

20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

~ Mathew 20:1-16

Jesus Predicts His Death a Third Time

17 Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, 18 “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death 19 and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”

A Mother’s Request
20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him.

21 “What is it you want?” he asked.

She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”

22 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?”

“We can,” they answered.

23 Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.”

24 When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. 25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Two Blind Men Receive Sight
29 As Jesus and his disciples were leaving Jericho, a large crowd followed him. 30 Two blind men were sitting by the roadside, and when they heard that Jesus was going by, they shouted, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

31 The crowd rebuked them and told them to be quiet, but they shouted all the louder, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

32 Jesus stopped and called them. “What do you want me to do for you?” he asked.

33 “Lord,” they answered, “we want our sight.”

34 Jesus had compassion on them and touched their eyes. Immediately they received their sight and followed him.

~ Mathew 20:17-24

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:06 PM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I hope I haven't lost anyone...

No...some of us are still here. this actually makes more sense than anything I've ever read.......up to this point so far.

This is why I still come to ATS occasionally. Because of threads like this. Posts where I may actually learn something of value.

Thank you for posting this. - I should add that I've only been to church maybe 5 times in my whole life. I am not an athiest either, but have been constantly searching for the truth by keeping an open mind and not assuming too much.

With this thought process, I am able to constantly intake new knowledge without being bias against it. I try to stay as balanced as possible.

But yea this thread is awesome.. I think I'm addicted to knowledge.

posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 11:00 PM
reply to post by NewAgeMan

A Formative Causation - A Diamond of Love

Behold! A design, an original intent, and an anticipation of a historical narrative, inclusive of the human being (son of man) even as the capstone of a cosmic, evolutionary, formative causation intersecting a divine order exclusive only to the Earth, of all places. Behold a sparkling diamond of love made manifest in cosmic AND in human history, in the crowning glory of a Great Work of Ages and of ART the likes of which we'd never even previously considered, let alone even begun to fathom in terms of its true Magnificence and Splendor.

It forever remains a testimony of all ages, and even of all worlds, as a unique expression of the infinite Godhead in the form of a.. Godsend, sent, from the very beginning of this creation by design or intrinsic to a first/last cause and the Alpha and Omega of Creation - directly to US, here and now and precisely at this particular moment in human history (and cosmological-astrophysical understanding), right where we sit (at our computer screen.. lol).

As to our response, whether to laugh or cry or sit discombobulated and gapemouthed, even to dismiss it all out of hand, that is left up to us..

So it's a FREE expression of a loving invitation into ever deeper consideration, shared koinonia and potentially, ever deeper levels of "grokking" (integration of awareness with comprehension), and as such it represents a wholly NON-COERSIVE and FREE OFFERING (however incaculable it may be in its supreme value) - let all who thirst freely come and let all who hear say come and freely drink the living water from the Throne and the Lamb of God, which is the free FLOW of the living Spirit of Life and of life meeting life (via a continual, evolutionary, creative process of differentiation and reintegration - of death and resurrection life) in eternity, and thus already-always present, even right now!

And to be Love itself it must flow freely (love isn't love by any other means), it must be given freely and freely recieved. It's thus non-dualistic and non-judgemental (forgiving, merciful), accepting us as we are unconditionally while at the same time inviting us into the development of a sacred heart (and mind) wherein death simply has no meaning or significance (thus losing its sting); inviting us into a domain of absolute liberation, fearlessness, of free and authentic self expression (charm) and creativity, and all the fruits of the spirit, including

Self Control

to which I would add power, whereby power is a function of increasing Virtue where virtue may be defined, however paradoxically as "power, restrained", yet nevertheless "held in reserve" (shhhh) for righteousness' sake whereby he said "I ask for mercy, not sacrifice."

It is the power to be the love that's missing in the world in alignment with His love that was first given to him by the heavenly Father and that he freely shares with us, asking only as his only commandment "Love one another as I love you".

oh and in the space of absolute liberation - the freedom and the right to LAUGH for all the right reasons including the right to laugh at all our own prior ignorance and absurdities, the freedom to cry (if need be) and the freedom to smile and to laugh again in the light of the reason, of love, which wipes away the tears from our eyes.

Thank you God. I love you too, but MY OH MY, what a love is this?!!! What are we to do with it? What are we to make of it? And how shall we respond to it, and if we do not, on what basis would we reject it?

Nice double-bind, way to go Jesus, way to go Father God. I don't know how you did it, or how you knew, but I'm sure glad that you knew what you were doing and, presumably, since this WAS initiated from the very beginning, still do!

Best Regards,

NAM aka Bob

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posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 11:14 PM
Self Deprecating Humor

..And if the joke's on me, I'm ok with that, so long as I get it, in time.. which I think I have, and it was on me.

this was from another thread, but it's just too good and humorously applicable? not to add it here in this thread at this time, imho.

But instead of "faith no more" what we have here is a reason for faith, as faith's foundation, which is an unshakable faith of a whole new order, a faith that lasts both for the individual journeyor and for those with whom it is shared and "grokked" in his love for his friends who he loves as Jesus first loved him.

Where he laid down a perfect life for his friends, we can only lay down our life as fools, and I freely do so, freely lay it down and then freely take it back up again, in the light of reason, truth, and a newfound sanity and clarity and peace of mind, transcending the blind ignorance of the massman, and even the "leaders" of the massman more often than not in the light of the humor of true understanding

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posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 01:11 PM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
The World According to Jesus Son of God and Lamb of God

posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 07:35 PM
posted at another thread, applicable to this one

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Of course I stand up against argumentative fallacies and complete nonsense arguments that ignore facts (like the fact that the earth isn't a circle).

You don't have the first clue as to the nature of the information that was being presented, so fast are you to pronounce judgement, in fact you even thought the circle running through the moon was being depicted as it's orbit around the earth, which no, isn't a perfect circle, but you missed the point, which was to show just one of many highly unusual coincidences that I was prepared to show which suggest in no uncertain terms a type of design which ought not exist according to standard astrophysical models for planetary formation. People smarter than you or I or more well researched struggle with it greatly, so how am I so easily laughed off, because the earth isn't a perfect circle, when I'm showing you something quite extraordinary, that the moon and earth can be used to perform a very sophisticated geometrical transformation called squaring the circle. Even the moon's positioning and movement, which shows the same face to the earth at all times is a real astrophysical quandry, but there are many many more facets to this mystery involving the relationship both in proportion and distances between the Earth, Moon and Sun, which at the very LEAST reveals a high precision UNIQUE configuration all but certain not to be repeated in any other solar system, even among 10-100 trillion trillion earth-like worlds, which is a reasonable estimate for the known universe.

Now for the following, I am NOT I repeat NOT suggesting that the moon is an artificial construct (ie: spaceship) from a distant solar system, but I'm posting this for people to begin to consider the various impossibilities of the moon as an entirely "natural" aka normal occurance ie: highly coincidental, and although perhaps not unusual according to the strong anthropic principal, that we're here because of it's influence and wouldn't be here if it wasn't as it is, even still it certainly has some rather perplexing attributes, to say the least.

That’s Not A Moon…It’s A Space Station!
From Gary Jacobucci
Jeff, earlier this year, David Icke visited the idea that the moon is not a heavenly body but that it is some sort of construct a hollowed out planetoid.
I let this idea sit for several months, but this morning decided to look into it a bit.
On of the things Icke mentioned something I had never considered is that what are the chances that the moon just happens to exactly cover the sun during an eclipse?
(the odds are astronomical)
I came across a 2006 interview with one of the authors of the book Who Built The Moon? (Christopher Knight and Alan Butler) who presents a few thoughts on this idea

“New Dawn recently spoke with Christopher Knight about his controversial new book and his astonishing conclusions.
NEW DAWN: All of mankind’s visits to the Moon have not answered some of the most basic questions about its origin and importance. Your new book Who Built the Moon? brings to light some extraordinary facts about the Moon, and comes to a mind-blowing conclusion about its origin. Could you briefly outline some of these little known and ignored facts?
CHRISTOPHER KNIGHT: The Moon sits very close to the Earth yet it is widely regarded as the strangest object in the known universe.
The book lists the strangeness of the Moon, which includes the fact that it does not have a solid core like every other planetary object. It is either hollow or has a very low-density interior. Bizarrely, its concentration of mass are located at a series of points just under its surface which caused havoc with early lunar spacecraft
The Moon is not only extremely odd in its construction; it also behaves in a way that is nothing less than miraculous. It is exactly four hundred times smaller than the Sun but four hundred times closer to the Earth so that both the Sun and the Moon appear to be precisely the same size in the sky which gives us the phenomenon we call a total eclipse. Whilst we take this for granted it has been called the biggest coincidence in the universe.
Furthermore, the Moon mirrors the movement of the Sun in the sky by rising and setting at the same point on the horizon as the Sun does at opposite solstices. For example, this means the Moon rises at midwinter at the same place the Sun does at midsummer. There is no logical reason why the Moon mimics the Sun in this way and it is only meaningful to a human standing on the Earth
ND: Your conclusion is there are more than enough anomalies about the Moon to suggest it is not a naturally occurring body and was quite possibly engineered to sustain life on Earth. How did you reach this conclusion?
CK: Not only is the Moon an apparently impossible object, it has some unique benefits for us humans. It has been nothing less than an incubator for life. If the Moon was not exactly the size, mass and distance that it has been at each stage of the Earth’s evolution there would be no intelligent life here. Scientists are agreed that we owe everything to the Moon.
It acts as a stabilizer that holds our planet at just the right angle to produce the seasons and keep water liquid across most of the planet. Without our Moon the Earth would be as dead and solid as Venus.
ND: If the Moon is an artificial construct, what are your theories on who or what built it, and why?
CK: In Who Built the Moon? we explain that we could not come to any other conclusion than the Moon is artificial. Because it is certain that it is 4.6 billion years old that raises some interesting points. Another factor was the obvious message that has been built into the Moon to tell us it’s artificial.
The question of why the Moon had to be built is easy to answer: To produce all life, especially humans. As to who did it well that’s a lot tougher!…
David Icke relates”I’ve found the Zulu legends to be the profoundly accurate in the way that they use symbolism to describes very profound scientific truths so, after I’d come up with all this stuff, I called Credo Mutwa, the Zulu shaman and the official historian for the Zulu nation, when I’d come up with all this stuff and asked him to tell me what are the Zulu legends of the moon.
Credo Mutwa tells me that the Zulus believe that the moon comes from far, far away and it was hollowed out like the yolk taken out of an egg and it was rolled across the heavens by two reptilian entities, which he gives Zulu names for.

Now while I don't think the moon is an artificial spaceship, I do find it's coincidence and strangness factor to be so high as to point at least to the possibility of intelligent design.

What would be rather amuzing, when we begin the process of looking closely at other solar systems housing earth-like worlds, would be the appearance of other unusual design properties, like those which apply to the Earth, oddities which could not have occured simply by random conglomerates of matter coalescing into planetary systems according to any standard model of physics, and then, in at last recognizing the divine order, both here and everywhere, the astrophysicists and cosmologists may very well drop to their knees utterly gobsmacked.. or should I say Godsmacked, especially if all the angles and trajectories and vectors all point back here of all places, as the divine fulcrum at the center of the universe..! (cosmologically centered circle, which is what the Earth-Moon relationship represents and symbolizes) could you imagine?!

If and when that day comes (grand epiphany of super-intelligent design), let those same scientists and everyone who gets the word remember the real star of Bethlehem and the celestial event which formed the very schedule by which Jesus Christ ("my hour has not yet come") performed his Great Work aka Magnum Opus.

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posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 07:54 PM
If "he" could do this, why would he press old fat men in dresses into service?

posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Star128
If "he" could do this, why would he press old fat men in dresses into service?

What do you mean?

Attempted Answer: ..because Virtue is power, restrained..? (oh that's funny!)

I presume you are you referring to the priestly clergy? Please clarify, thanks.

And thanks for getting the point re: what "he" can do, and did do.

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posted on Aug, 29 2012 @ 12:52 AM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

The Day of the Cross

OMG, I've just had the biggest revelation which came to me during this moon research and no it's not loony or luney, although I guess you'll be the judge of that and that's ok, I've been called crazy before even in this very thread! ; )

Ok, how to explain this. Basically, in a nutshell, the moon, "our" moon, is our closest representation of God's handiwork, or a signature if you will, of intelligent design, and I believe I can prove it, that not only did Jesus obviously make use of it in the completion of his Great Work (how he managed time, space and events so well is of course a real marvel in and of itself), but the moon is in and of itself ALSO a symbol or a manifestation of infinite intelligence, in this case of the first father of all creation, like a celestial reflection - that also has the finger prints of God written all over it (all the hallmarks of intelligent design).

It will take me a while to support this hypothesis as I have more research to do, and a book or two to purchase and read, but to begin with I'll just lay out a pictogram of sorts, to start laying the puzzle pieces of a new mystery down before us for examination and contemplation, and I'll then work with these pieces and many more to follow, and tie them all together which when taken together contextually (meaning and context is everything) ought to still further astonish us, if what we've been covering and considering hasn't been astonishing enough already as it is! And I did guarantee astonishment to one poster, so if I didn't deliver already maybe this will do it, while for others it might be the icing on the cake, or another, the cherry on top, and of course there are some who don't want it no matter what you serve up for them and that's ok too.

I'll call it "Strange Moon in Paradise" (i don't know why but it has a ring to it..

Strange Moon in Paradise

The Signature of God
(ATS Exclusive!)
by NewAgeMan, September, 2012.(almost)

Eclipse (often called by scientists and astrophysicists "the biggest coincidence in the universe")
Sacred Heart

stay tuned...

OMG this is going to be good. That's what I've found when researching (seeking) and trying to find God, once you do, it just keeps on getting better and better, still more magnificent and outrageously miraculous and wonderful, and even playfully amuzing while he's at it (sharing his mysteries in koinonia). Oh sigh, to know him is to love him, and if you don't yet know him, just read him in the gospels and you'll find him, and if you find, just be prepared to fall in love, when before all this Bible nonsense was just that, utter nonsense, except now you hold a special key to unlocking the scriptures as you'll see - for anyone with the eyes to see who cracks open the Gospels for a second read now in hindsight. I cannot encourage that enough at this point to be honest, as an assignment if you will for additional insight and clarity, even the wisdom of the spirit which will testify with me that I have NOT been bull#ting everyone and trying to pull a fast one on them, no that's not what this has been about not at all. This is for the joy of recognition that wipes away the tears from the eyes with a newfound smile and an inner peace and happiness the likes of which we might not have known since we were a little kid.

Best Regards,

NAM aka Bob (Baby

edit on 29-8-2012 by NewAgeMan because: edit, and yes, an encouraging blue star would be much appreciated if you'd like me to continue along this track that is. Thanks! : )

posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 09:30 PM
Strange Moon in Paradise, Cont'd.. (Date: August 31st, 2012)

THE MOON is the fulcrum (the keystone) of all life on Earth (without which life on Earth would not be possible) and for reasons yet to be covered in greater detail as we go, was made by-design (there may more meaning to that term in this case than one might expect at first glance..), as are we the human being, in the fullness of time and history and of an ongoing process of cosmic evolution, to realize some grand destiny (of a new creation), but here's the question - might it too (the moon itself) not also have been, in the final analysis, "the stone that was rejected by the builders, that became the keystone"..?

Could you imagine..?

If so, and all information will be presented to bolster this hypothesis (see images and diamgrams above, for starters), then the implication is that God punk'd everyone a first AND a second time, just to include us the human being as his children, with he our God, and then he basically signed the work of High Art, twice, once, when he created the world (cosmos) (including any astro-engineers of the far distant past), and the second time while his own good son, sent from the beginning of the beginning, by the first father of all creation (Alpha and Omega), performed His great work also employing the earth, moon, sun relationship, as a celestial dirge (love song), there again yet now with man (son of man son of God) as fulcrum, where, again, "it was the stone that was rejected by the builders, that became the keystone."


It would appear that God's own creativity surpasses one and all (and not without some playful and inviting humor, and gentlekindness, in Jesus Christ the son). Incredible!

Could it be? Could it be true?

I think it actually might be true and IS true - it's got his signature on it for God's sake! Twice!

The Day of the Cross

What am I saying, that the Earth was made with the moon already in mind (and in hand), and the sun of course (centerpoint), in the much the same way that everything was made by the father for the son (spiritually ie: in terms of awareness and mutual understanding)? Yes, that's precisely what I'm suggesting, except to consider the very real possibility that in both cases - it was the stone that was rejected by the builders, that became the keystone..

Therefore - let's start taking a much closer look at this object called the moon, thought by many to be "the strangest object in the known universe".

stay tuned...

edit on 30-8-2012 by NewAgeMan because: this is getting interesting and fun, at least for me, blue star if you'd like me to keep going.. lol (pathetic i know)

posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 09:51 PM
At this point, the readership of this thread will diverge into two camps, one will say, of me "he's crazy this doesn't make any sense at all, I'm outta here" (which is fine) and the other, who'll take a good hard long look at what's been and is being presented, and say OMG if he's crazy then I must be crazy too, because this is just making too much sense, and my God it IS astonishing, and there are things here I've never before even begun to consider for the life of me, thanks NAM, keep up the good work (op now I'm talking to myself must be crazy eh? lol).

posted on Aug, 30 2012 @ 11:14 PM

Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.
Psalm 89:13-15

In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Psalm 102:24-26

By wisdom the LORD laid the earth’s foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place;
Proverbs 3:18-20

So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic.
Isaiah 28:15-17

He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear (awe) of the LORD is the key to this treasure.
Isaiah 33:5-7

My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together.
Isaiah 48:12-14

that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretches out the heavens and who lays the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
Isaiah 51:12-14

Your people will rebuild the ancient ruins and will raise up the age-old foundations; you will be called Repairer of Broken Walls, Restorer of Streets with Dwellings.
Isaiah 58:11-13

The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Matthew 7:24-26

They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
Luke 6:47-49

But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
Luke 6:48-49

It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.
Romans 15:19-21

By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care.
1 Corinthians 3:9-11

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:10-12

built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
Ephesians 2:19-21

In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
1 Timothy 6:18-20

He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Hebrews 1:9-11

For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Hebrews 11:9-11

Jesus Christ is "the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world."
~ Revelation 13:8
What does this mean?

"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.
~ John 17:24

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
~ Revelation 3:20

edit on 30-8-2012 by NewAgeMan because: edit

posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 02:56 PM
Re: Super-Intelligent Design

I realize this moon research involving the moon, earth, sun relationship, as proof of intelligent design (in more ways than one..?) is more than a little "out of the box" and way out into left field if you will.

Thus it's important to clarify at this point that what we've covered so far isn't in any way contingent upon this proof, whereby Jesus' sent-calling by the first father of creation (according to superdeterministic, super-intelligent design) has already been established by the celestial frame surrounding his conception, birth, and Great Work. In this regard, it should be noted that the accompanying signs, which include:

- Virgo (virgin) clothed with the sun (rising with the solstice sun), a crescent moon under her feet
- A triple retrograte conjuction of Jupiter over Regulus ("three kings" star of Bethlehem), preceded, 9 months prior, by
- Perfect Jupiter/Venus conjunction, followed, 33+ years later, coinciding with the very hours of the cross, by
- Red moon rising on horizon of Judea already in full eclipse of the sun (with Jesus already on the cross - must have FREAKED them right out [reverse sting hoodwink - "how did he KNOW?! ; )], which may be the real reason why they pulled them down early..), followed that nght by a full, reddish, harvest moon

..will never be repeated again in precisely the same way, in all of human history.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last."

Edit to add: The moon, earth, sun relationship, among other rather far-out considerations, some of which we will be exploring here (as a point of interest), at the very least demonstrates or proves a singularly UNIQUE cosmological configuration which contains a high degree of incredibly symbolic meaning and significance that only a human being from the perspective of earth would or could recognize, and which WAS recognized, quite obviously, by Jesus himself in his own recognition of himself as Godsent and as the son of the first father, and by his own application of this unique configuration integrated in his Great Work (of the cross) which quite obviously formed a schedule of sorts that he worked in accordance with, repeatedly saying, when he was about to be stoned or arrested by those who wanted to kill him, while slipping through their grasp, at will, "my hour has not yet come."

The Day of the Cross

But even still, although that's already more than enough - you aint seen nuth'n yet!

stay tuned...

"It was the stone that was rejected by the builders, that became the keystone."

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