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Originally posted by darkbake
In closing, here is a video showing an example of this. I have seen other videos of this in the past, as well.
Maybe I should do a thread on the science behind real vs. man-made crop circles sometime.
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Only two things are clear; nobody agrees on anything and nothing is conclusive. Those who are convinced it is real look for conformation of their belief, as do those who feel it is a hoax. CCCS- USA coordinator, ilyes, has produced a report which states that of the three experts known to her who have viewed the video, none can find any evidence of tampering. On the other hand two of the experts we have been in touch with disagree.
...
I suspect from all that has occurred, and having been right in the midst of it, that this is a hoax. However, I am open for the possibility that it is not, in which case I would owe an apology to John Weyleigh and Lee Winterston. However, the evidence of proof is in John's hand. If he is being wrongly done by, he needs only to come forward with the original video for analysis and all questions can be answered.
POSTSCRIPT
Since this report was written, John Wabe was traced to a Bristol video production company, and caught. He since came clean about the video being a con, and is being prosecuted.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by bottleslingguy
lol whatever..maybe you should dial it down a notch buddy.
Its kinda funny that you missed it. Good luck with that demanding attitude.edit on 28-7-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Please do the thread.
Colin Andrews writes:
"I can assure you that when all the information that is known is placed into the public domain, the OC video will be seen as a fraud. There are some very worrying aspects to it as far as the original plan and the man who is in the center of it all, Mr. John Wabe. Just 'Maybe' this man has been put to work on his first disinformation job by people in high places whom he met while at Nottingham University, studying for a degree in, of all things 'American Studies.' Naughty Uncle Sam at work again! At a nearby Nottingham university, a man by the name of John Weyleigh [said to be the person who shot the video] has also been a student.
www.anomalies.net...
For the ones saying all crop circles are man made??? Um... Thats an OPINION, not a fact.
Originally posted by gortex
Shame they didn't video the compass going crazy , a picture of two people looking at something we can't see tells us nothing .
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by MamaJ
For the ones saying all crop circles are man made??? Um... Thats an OPINION, not a fact.
No its a fact , there is a whole weight of evidence that shows crop circles are man made but I have seen no such evidence that they are created by ET .
Here is just one piece from the makers themselves
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by MamaJ
For the ones saying all crop circles are man made??? Um... Thats an OPINION, not a fact.
No its a fact , there is a whole weight of evidence that shows crop circles are man made but I have seen no such evidence that they are created by ET .
Here is just one piece from the makers themselves
Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by gortex
Originally posted by gortex
Shame they didn't video the compass going crazy , a picture of two people looking at something we can't see tells us nothing .
To be fair, a video of someone holding a compass which is spinning crazily, would also prove absolutely nothing.
a video of someone holding a compass which is spinning crazily, would also prove absolutely nothing.
Originally posted by gortex
Please do the thread.
Please don't do a thread , just type Oliver's Castle Crop Circle into ATS search and you will find many threads on this hoax .
Here's a quote from main crop circle man Colin Andrews on the hoax .
Colin Andrews writes:
"I can assure you that when all the information that is known is placed into the public domain, the OC video will be seen as a fraud. There are some very worrying aspects to it as far as the original plan and the man who is in the center of it all, Mr. John Wabe. Just 'Maybe' this man has been put to work on his first disinformation job by people in high places whom he met while at Nottingham University, studying for a degree in, of all things 'American Studies.' Naughty Uncle Sam at work again! At a nearby Nottingham university, a man by the name of John Weyleigh [said to be the person who shot the video] has also been a student.
www.anomalies.net...
We now have arrived at a very interesting situation.
1. The original footage was not shot from the tip, as John Wabe claimed, and;
2. The camera was positioned just above ground level and the height between the ground and the camera was insufficient for a tripod to fit. There was simply not enough space. The camera that filmed the Oliver’s Castle footage of 11 August 1996, could not have been mounted on a tripod. It had to be a handheld camera!
Both claims of John Wabe – filming from the tip and the camera mounted on a tripod – can simply not be true!
The claim made by John Weyleigh, that he was laying in his sleeping bag while filming, does hold!
but so far I didn't find a single link/source/reference. Shouldn't this be verifiable?
He since came clean about the video being a con, and is being prosecuted.
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
I cant let Phage take all the heat on this one..I too think all crop circles are man made just as all magicians can not do magic. Its just a trick thats being played on people. People like to trick other people..it makes them feel big, they find it funny.
..and for some of the people writing books and giving lectures on the subject (the so called researchers) its quite lucrative. Im talking about the likes of Lucy Pringle here.
Believe me i wish they weren't fakes, is just a sad fact of life that there's people out there who go to great lengths to trick us just for kicks.
edit on 28-7-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by MamaJ
For the ones saying all crop circles are man made??? Um... Thats an OPINION, not a fact.
No its a fact , there is a whole weight of evidence that shows crop circles are man made but I have seen no such evidence that they are created by ET .
Here is just one piece from the makers themselves
this doesn't prove anything
www.youtube.com.../user/E70627B55ED8CCF2
why isn't he out there reproducing woven stalks and flash steamed nodes? why is he just sitting there with his face in the camera? bogus
The appearance of this new crop circle also fits in with a UFO sighting at approx 2330 hours on 21st July 2012 in the exact same area. Darren Perks has now produced some images of the crop circle after his investigations and you can see them in his gallery on his website www.ufoshropshire.co.uk and on his Facebook page. Darren has ruled out any kind of human involvement in the production of this crop circle as the factors relating to it simply would not add up for anyone to be able to fake this. “It would take someone days to produce a crop circle of this size and accuracy with regards to the current night sky. The local farmers are always out and about day and night nad would have noticed people in his field. If people tried to make this circle during the night, then they would have need lights which would have attracted unwanted attention.” This crop circle matches exactly a current pattern of astronomical objects in our night sky. Could this be some kind of message? We just don’t know, but it could maybe point to an event that’s about to happen in the near future as other crop circles that appeared in the UK and Europe in recent weeks have related to a similar pattern.” “This is great for Shropshire and something that people should take in with an open mind.”
“We do not know how the crop circle was made, nor who made it,” a spokesman for the Schaffhausen cantonal police told online news site (in German) 20 Minuten. Crop circles are often considered to be an elusive phenomenon and some note the appearance of shapes and designs date back to the 1500s. Their appearances usually come at night and the crop circles are discovered in daylight hours. Several theories over the centuries as to how they are made have emerged. These speculations include UFOs/aliens, wind, aircraft or hoaxes created by humans to perpetuate the myths. Reportedly, this is the second occurrence of crop circles within the past week. Read more: www.digitaljournal.com...
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by MamaJ
For the ones saying all crop circles are man made??? Um... Thats an OPINION, not a fact.
No its a fact , there is a whole weight of evidence that shows crop circles are man made but I have seen no such evidence that they are created by ET .
Here is just one piece from the makers themselves
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by TiM3LoRd
Nice of you to join the discussion even if the over all tone of your post was somewhat acrid. Its a shame that some people think the only way they can join a debate is to try to put someone down as much as possible rather than talk about the topic.
Is a sad fact that the people claiming outrageous things about how crop circles are made and the special properties they possess and either flat out lying or quoting people who are flat out lying. You claim to know what makes 'non man made' crop circles but it is almost certain that you are just regurgitating so called facts that you have heard on documentaries , websites and books who are trying to promote the idea that they are not fakes for the sake of profit. You read it , think that sounds plausible and then log the idea in your brain as a fact. I'm sorry that you are so easily fooled.
please check the videos in this post especially the last the last part.
edit on 29-7-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by TiM3LoRd
Nice of you to join the discussion even if the over all tone of your post was somewhat acrid. Its a shame that some people think the only way they can join a debate is to try to put someone down as much as possible rather than talk about the topic.
Is a sad fact that the people claiming outrageous things about how crop circles are made and the special properties they possess and either flat out lying or quoting people who are flat out lying. You claim to know what makes 'non man made' crop circles but it is almost certain that you are just regurgitating so called facts that you have heard on documentaries , websites and books who are trying to promote the idea that they are not fakes for the sake of profit. You read it , think that sounds plausible and then log the idea in your brain as a fact. I'm sorry that you are so easily fooled.
please check the videos in this post especially the last the last part.
edit on 29-7-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)