I despise trendy new-age hippies.

reply to post by ABNARTY


I love zombies, and I loved that.

reply to post by WiindWalker


Thank you. I did read, and for the whole, the article was basically "GMO HURTS YOU!!!1!11!"

But to quote directly..

The conclusion of the report? That the "raw data from all three GMO studies reveal novel pesticide residues will be present in food and feed and may pose grave health risks to those consuming them," according to Food Freedom. Let's just reiterate that last part again: the pesticide residues will be present in food, and may pose grave health risks to anything--or anyone--eating them.

They specifically cite pesticide residue.

This is big news--if this data does prove conclusive, it could be the most persuasive evidence yet that GMO cultivation is dangerous.

They also specifically cite GMO cultivation, on a level I would say I can only assume is mass-farming. None of which I have made an argument for.

Thus, the straight genetic modifying of food for yield and resistance purposes has no correlation.

Next.

Also.. there were no sources other than a vaguely stated "international study".

Atleast my sources had reference data.

Acutally, WiindWalker, I want to see this data you have.

Somehow you jumped from "..genetically modified foods ARE KILLING PEOPLE!!!".. to "they cause organ damage in rats".

That is a big leap.

I want to see your references to them killing people.

reply to post by johnnysixguns


Your opinions are full of stereotyping and assumptions. And the overall theme of your opinion is to justify the discontent of a populace.

The only valid argument for such claims is when the populace in question becomes a threat to your health.

For example, Asians are notorious for their inadequate acceleration upon freeway entrance, inability to maintain the popular speed, poor signaling, disregard for lanes, etc... Bottom line, these characteristics proven with time and consistency leads to the conclusion that Asian drivers are a potential threat to our safety.

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
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I see a bigger problem when starving nations are turning away GMO food because of the blathering of some people.. like trendy new-age hippies.

It has been proven that GMO's have affected the variety of crops. GMO crops have a bad habit of invading natural seed and therefore FORCING people to use the GMO products in order to grow them. They are NOT allowed to collect the seed and must PURCHASE new EVERY time. These genetically modified substances are causing problems with human development, so much that they are banned because of the toxicity in them The failed GM Golden Rice experiment is a prime example of DOCUMENTED problems that are being shoved under the table. www.bangmfood.org...

I don't know about you but I would prefer that my little grandchildren to NOT fall victim to poorly "designed" produce. It has also sent many euro farming communities to the brink. Some of the farmers opting for suicide the problem has gotten so bad. It is all of these issues and more. If you have children or grandchildren, you owe it to them to at least look at this side of it.

I'm not saying there aren't idiotic people out there who jump to conclusions, and I certainly can sympathize with working in the restaurant industry and realizing how ridiculous people are about food. And then they just fork it all in... Truly I get you on that. But don't avoid at least CHECKING out the possible bad sides of the GMO issue for yourself. Look for the good, but is best to know if there are any hidden baddies. Take care, man.

GMO products taking over present seed stock in wild is nothing more than Darwin's theory in action, as far as I am concerned (though yes, it did have a helping hand from science). If non-GMO products were more robust or hearty, they would win out, IMO. The reason they win out is because.. they are genetically enhanced.

Having to buy GMO seed stock each year is a problem, but one that is more related to commercialism/consumerism and the nature of business rather than the fact it is modified. That is a sad part of business, but has nothing acutely due to the fact that the food is modified (ie - genetically modified food is not itself forcing you to buy new seeds, the company is). And I never defended that.

The golden rice experiment 'failed' because it was test on humans before animals. And while high levels of some substances in them may cause birth defects, that is not to say that those foods cause them. As I noted to someone else, I would have no qualm with placing a bet that the amount you would need to ingest to cause a birth defect is much higher than would normally be ingested on a regular basis.

Like I said, and you concurred, I have looked at this side of this. My time spent working in the environments that I did not take make me take my stance. It was hearing TN-AH talk about it incessantly, looking at what they had to say (trust me, our restaurant put out tons of literature of its own), and then looking at the other side of it. So I had a lot of time to hone my arguments and make valid points before they would turn away frustrated, because I was not as fearful as they were. As far as I am concerned, a lot of arguments against GMO are conjecture with no hard numbers, or the hard numbers they do have are based pesticides and herbicides, neither of which have to do with actual genetic enhancement.

I am not trying to be a dick either, but its quite obvious people will have their stance, and I will have mine.

For anyone who would care to read not just into genetics concerning GMO produce, but on a broader spectrum (a lot human), I would recommend you read "Genome" by Matt Ridley for a starter. It has the possibility to arrest a lot of fear people have concerning genetic modifications and mutations.

Yeah, my kids will eat GMO food. And I am not fearful for them. I worry a lot more about the amount of refined and simple sugars and other carbohydrates they are ingesting. Calorically-dense and nutritionally deficit foods are a far worse problem.

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That post was kind of all over the place, and I see a lot of people are quoting my OP and probably not following up with the rest of the discussion, otherwise they would see I have fleshed out my thoughts.

One thing I will say, however, is that I certainly find the views of that 'populace' detrimental for my health when 7 people in this thread starred someone for wanting to ban water. I think that would be quite detrimental.

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
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Yeah, my kids will eat GMO food. And I am not fearful for them. I worry a lot more about the amount of refined and simple sugars and other carbohydrates they are ingesting. Calorically-dense and nutritionally deficit foods are a far worse problem.

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I find it interesting you use the word WILL. Does that mean they haven't yet eaten GMO food? if not why? And what's wrong with planting organic food if you prefer it over GMO food and can find a way to grow it in abundance enough to share with friends and neighbors, therefore helping to stem the world's hunger problem in my area? What's wrong with that? Big deal if some folks don't want to eat GMO, why should that bother you? Go ahead and eat your genetically modified food. I'll not stop you from shopping.

I am right there with you. I know exactly what you mean from start to finish. They are very annoying. My favorite example of how clueless they actually are is a video I saw about strawbale houses. One of them said straw was a useless byproduct of farming. I saw one who was totally into some other alternative building method bragging on tv about his new microchip implant. They also talk with their eyes shut a lot. Great post!

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
Yeah, my kids will eat GMO food. And I am not fearful for them. I worry a lot more about the amount of refined and simple sugars and other carbohydrates they are ingesting. Calorically-dense and nutritionally deficit foods are a far worse problem.

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I have to completely agree on the refined sugar - including alcohol consumption & diets high carbohydrates. It's a HUGE addiction issue. Another problem is the carbs only feed parasite problems in humans. And that is another thing humans don't even bother dealing with in themselves. Parasites. So afraid they might have them, they refuse to even visit the possibility it could be parasites or fungal issues or some other thing the doctors never deal with any more. Sad. And yet all our advertising and media drive us toward these poor choices. They should be BANNED.

Originally posted by Opportunia

Originally posted by johnnysixguns
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Yeah, my kids will eat GMO food. And I am not fearful for them. I worry a lot more about the amount of refined and simple sugars and other carbohydrates they are ingesting. Calorically-dense and nutritionally deficit foods are a far worse problem.

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I find it interesting you use the word WILL. Does that mean they haven't yet eaten GMO food? if not why? And what's wrong with planting organic food if you prefer it over GMO food and can find a way to grow it in abundance enough to share with friends and neighbors, therefore helping to stem the world's hunger problem in my area? What's wrong with that? Big deal if some folks don't want to eat GMO, why should that bother you? Go ahead and eat your genetically modified food. I'll not stop you from shopping.

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I meant 'will' as in that is whats going on the table.

They do eat GMO food, produce-wise. Meat-wise, I hunt, and they eat that.

I don't have a problem with people growing organic food. Or GMO food. Or any kind of food. As I have stated, the harm that comes from commercial food in terms of harm and nutritional value are more money-based than with the altering on a genetic level. In those terms, as far as I am concerned, you are doing nothing but growing a plant to eat.

I asked someone else, and I will ask you - If you were given seeds that were more robust and hearty in your area, but had been genetically modified, but you could grow them as YOU wanted to, would you use them? I would.

And the second or third line of my OP was infact a statement of me saying "this does not apply to people who grow their own organic food, or buy locally". It actually went on to list a bunch of traits in TN-AH that I despise, and I also said that when separate, none of them mattered to me. It is when they are put together as whole, and into a character-type, that they become the object of my ire.

I think a lot of people latched on to Chaddersons post, while quickly skimming my OP, just to jump on a bashing wagon when I mentioned that I had a problem with starving countries turning down GMO food out of fear propogation.

Seriously. The fact that buster has 11 stars from people wanting to ban water speaks volumes about the very kind of people that I despise. Chemical words are scary to those people, and I would say science is just as scary. Its not to me.

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Exactly. I see problems in society's diet every day, yet was around people moaning about GMO vs. organic. For the problems that are more prevalent, it is a trite issue, IMO.

If you are organic and not a snob about it, I have no qualm. Just as when people tell me "Oh, I eat organic.." as if its a status symbol, I tell them I don't concern myself too much with that, and leave the discussion there.

My kids eat GMO food. They don't eat fast food. They don't eat things that have a ton of refined sugar in them. They don't eat things with a ton of preservatives. I managed kitchens for years before I switched careers, and can easily make a good meal that has minimal ingredients. GMO or organic.

With so many other problems food wise, I just sincerely find the GMO vs organic argument moot in the grand scheme of things. I mean, seriously. Organic farmers in California want GMO food labeled with a skull and cross bones? Only so that people "know what they're getting"? Come on now.

As was the original OP.. I have an issue with a subset of "hardcore" people. Not people who eat organic foods as a whole. I am reasonably sure if people hadn't latched on to one sentence in my OP, that would be clear.

Originally posted by buster2010
Anyone with half a brain would want to ban dihydrogen monoxide. And sometimes you have to act a little crazy to wake the sheep up.

dihydrogen monoxide

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

No seriously, I can't. The kicker for me is the 11 stars, meaning there is a large chunk of ATS that believes Water (H2O = DiHydrogen Monoxide) is bad for us and should be banned.

I really want to believe this is just a troll post, but I'm seriously losing hope....

reply to post by Kryties


That is what I mean. And those people are the type that this rant is directed at.

Even if he was trolling, there are 11 people who didn't think so. And how many people other than myself have pointed out that DHMO is water?

You made the second one.

This applies to homosexual 'rights' as well.. the way you've written it.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
This applies to homosexual 'rights' as well.. the way you've written it.

What? Who?

reply to post by johnnysixguns


Exactly.
I believe New Age is another religion. Just replace "God" by "Mother Nature", and there you go, you got modern new age religion (I'm gonna make a thread on this real soon).

Originally posted by buster2010
Anyone with half a brain would want to ban dihydrogen monoxide. And sometimes you have to act a little crazy to wake the sheep up.

dihydrogen monoxide

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

Its water men!

reply to post by Kryties


feeling exactly the same. Either blatant sarcasm or epic fail considering the avatar.

reply to post by johnnysixguns


These same idiots are trying to block coalminers from going to work and feed their famalies in W.va. right now. They are chaining themselves to equipment and vehicles. I'm all for cleaner everything but these people need a rude awakening. They're every bit as worse than the so-called, religion highjacked baptist group who go around with "kill homo's" signs.

reply to post by johnnysixguns

What about us old school hippies...any love there?