Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by OpinionatedB
Thank you for that reply!
To make sure I understand the distinction clearly, I am going to rephrase it in my own words. Please let me know if this is accurate or not:
Anti-Semitism: hating one of Jewish descent (i.e: a child of Isaac) for that bloodline.
Zionism: opposition to the Israeli state.
If that is accurate, I ask then what about the Israeli state angers other residents of that area so much? Is it the very existence, or their actions
as a state? I know the nation of Israel has not been the poster child for a good neighbor in many cases.
Well, since Isaac and Ishmael (as), are both the children of Abraham (as), and were brothers, it is hard to hate someone based on that, when you both
have the exact same bloodline, ie: That of our father Abraham (as).. although granted, we give Ishmael a bit more, religious respect.... but of course
you can understand that, since that is who the Arab nation decended from of that bloodline!
IN other words, you really cannot say an arab even could be anti semitic, our bloodline is the same.
Your understanding of Zionism is correct.
The Israelis as a whole are not seen even as a semitic peoples, they are seen as a bunch of white europeans who decided they wanted a plot of land,
already being occupied and lived in, based on scriptures that are thousands of years old, and decided they had not only a right to it, but the right
to kill innocent people for it.
Many Palestinians can trace their roots to that land, going back anywhere from 3 to 5 thousand years. So who has then the greater right? Some
European? Or those who have been there?
When they first started moving there, the Palestinians were happy to be neighbors to them, happy for them to start businesses and build homes and buy
land. But this was not enough for the Zionists! They wanted the land only for themselves, and the removal at any cost, of the Palestinian people. They
are religious zealots, in short, who we believe to be harming a people, which has been thoroughly documented.
Hence, we are against this, and this mentality, and have deemed it with the term zionism.
This is how it is seen and viewed by the Arab people, while you or others have a right to disagree with this view, and a debate could start on the
topic itself, this is what we see, this is what many believe they have lived through, and this is what we are against.
Most of us believe a two state solution can never be had, without causing harm and injustice to one of the two groups of people. It is a very small
plot of land to ever try and divide, water rights and air space are just two of the very serious problems with a two state solution.
Those who oppose Zionism, do not believe the Jewish people need to go back to Europe, but we do believe they need to learn to live in harmony with
their neighbors, and become one people and one country under diplomacy and equal rights. This is the optimum solution to all the logistic problems
with any two state solution. This is very clearly the stance of the Iranian government, and to know this all you need do is to listen to the full
speeches of President Ahmadinejad to see the truth of this stance, rather than the misquoted and half quoted statements you find in media.
And beleive me when I say he can talk, most of his speeches are in excess of an hour long so to give a proper understanding of our position on the
topic, but no one appears to want to sit through them all, and seems rather content taking a sentence here or there out of context.
Again, while the Israeli Zionists will disagree, this is how it is seen by those who oppose Zionism, and a two state solution.
29-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)