9/11 Pentagon Flight Recorder Fraud Revealed

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I know one thing, and that is whatever solution is presented MUST include, explain, and line up with the evidence uncovered by CIT and the NoC flight path. I am not bending one fricken INCH on that. Uninformed readers search for The Pentacon and National Security Alert.

And here's a message to every single 9/11 researcher there is: As a whole, the derision and divisions and vitriol and name calling is extremely childish. It does nothing for us. Push the reset button folks. There is something called forgiveness. How about we include THAT in your research, and learn to use it! We need more unity.

In that case, does that mean the truthers will finally stop accusing all the eyewitnesses in the vicinity who specifically stated it was a plane they saw hit the Pentagon as being dinsinformation agents? I've seen the "no plane" theorists pull that accusation out time after time and I'm sure you have as well.

reply to post by zeevar

One of my additional duties where I work, is to perform periodic flight data recorder downloads to submit to the engineers. I get to see the data first hand and know what the headers look like. The raw data is in the form of various characters, while the headers are in alphanumeric formats, and at NO time is their a specific flight number loaded.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by Echo007

 

All the applicable videos were released long ago. None of them gave a clear view.

No they weren't. Citgo still remains unseen by investigators.

Let us see them and make a determination if they are applicable or not.

reply to post by vipertech0596


You're talking about flight numbers? Why? We're trying to conclusively identify the FDR data as indeed genuine. No can do. Serial numbers that tie the FDR's conclusively to the alleged planes are MISSING. With the government withholding those, that is IMPOSSIBLE. That seems to be fine and dandy for the OS *believers*.... *cough*...*cough* They give us every excuse in the book why it's OK to believe the Official Story without them. Well, it isn't, ok?

Or are you going to try and argue now that there is nothing, including the serial numbers, that ties a specific FDR to a specific plane? Don't bother....PLEASE.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by zeevar

 

One of my additional duties where I work, is to perform periodic flight data recorder downloads to submit to the engineers. I get to see the data first hand and know what the headers look like. The raw data is in the form of various characters, while the headers are in alphanumeric formats, and at NO time is their a specific flight number loaded.

You are military yes. I gathered from some of the termology on here that there are some military boys in the house. Where are you stationed viper?

reply to post by olaru12


The "CITGO" tape was released under a FOIA from Freedom Watch several years ago. The tape shows the views from the six cameras at the gas station. Only ONE of which was covering an angle that showed part of the highway running between the gas station and the Pentagon. It shows what is possibly the vertical stabilizer of Flight 77 just before you see a fireball appear.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


No, I wouldnt argue that there isn't a section in the header that lists the serial number of the airplane and the serial number of the recorder. I would argue that you are basing your beliefs on someone who is lying to you...

Each of the reports I have seen, list the serial numbers.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I for one am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, the way Bonez is absolutely doing by the comments he makes above. I am not with you on that, Bonez! This is a recent development with Dennis going NPT. You can't just disregard everything because of that, and worse, just write off P4T completely on that basis.

Anyone who starts spouting the proven no-plane hoax/disinfo, doesn't have the intelligence, logic, and thus the credibility to be an "expert" on anything what-so-ever. Unless, of course, they're peddling the no-plane hoax on purpose to continue the deliberate discredidation of the 9/11 truth movement like the few other no-planers are doing.

The information posted is nothing new and has been sufficiently debunked years ago.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I know one thing, and that is whatever solution is presented MUST include, explain, and line up with the evidence uncovered by CIT and the NoC flight path.

CIT's "evidence" has been sufficiently debunked as well, and goes against all other available evidence.

When P4T continues to associate with the likes of CIT, Cimino, Lear, and have Rob at the helm, they have had and will continue to have zero credibility.

reply to post by DeeKlassified



Im a full time technician with an Air National Guard F-16 unit. That is the best you are going to get. I've already had one person off of ATS try and find me in real life.

Just think for a second...the Pentagon camera we did see showed a couple shots of the (whatever it was) comming in from the right, exiting to the laft and blooie....
Now if that was a hundersd and more foot long airliner, wouldnt there actually be more times shots>
and also ou would see the colour streak of the paint scheme through the photo as it would blur....
Altogether the object that hit the pentagon could have been anything BUT a 757
It made impossible manouvers, first to line up on the building
It flew at an impossibly too low of an altitude for its speed as ground effect would toss it back upwards....
The lamp posts show a different flight parameter than the records do
The serial number is MISSING from the flight recorder they showed us
The record of the flight shows some anomalous behavior too......
The cabin door was never opened according to the data (if it indeed recorded such data)
The takeover of the plane by the high jackers took 3 minutes....
the pilots coud have put up a much better struggle than that against box cutters.....
The whole thing has so many holes it rivals the very best swiss cheese.....
Any reasonable person without any bias....has to conclude the story of 0/11 stinks....
It stinks to high heaven.....too many anomalous things happen, too much early blame throwng by interviewees who coudnt possiby know what they told us...
Bldg 7 fell 20 minutes EARLY on BBC!
I guess because of the time change hey?

Illuminati controls almost everything except oil and most of the earth's oil is in Arab countries..Thats a problem for the Illuminati since the biggest enemy(by far) is Islam, the main religion of the Middle east. Since 9/11 Islam has been insulted and despised for more than a decade now by the western society, the western society which is build by Illuminati. People in America and Europe think they actually are the best people on earth because of their great welfare etc, an illusion in the eyes of Islam. Muslims do not care about life on earth since its temporarily and therefore not that important as life hereafter. Atheism is being promoted throughout the Western world, in London its okay to have big billboards on a public bus with phrases like 'There is no God'. 50 percent in GB are strong believers of Atheism, Northern Europe has probably more Atheists. And the countries in Europe that don't have a high level Atheists are all in a deep crisis. Greece,Spain,Italy and Ireland are known for their strong believe in God, something the Illuminati does not like so by lending money to them through IMF Atheism will increase there as well en believe in God throughout Europe will come to a stop.
Illuminati also gives money to Arab leaders so that they can oppress their citizens, which has led to the Arab spring..The hope of the Illuminati was that the Arabs would embrace democracy(System of Illuminati), instead the Arabs remained strong believers of Islam...They cant stop Islam

Islam forbids everything that what Illuminati promotes..

Interest(Banking)=Forbidden
Music=Forbidden
Images,Symbolism=Forbidden
Nudity=Forbidden
Pornography=Forbidden

Those are the main things but there are plenty more...

reply to post by _BoneZ_


Bonez look, just stop it, ok? :shk:

Is the only credible person left in the whole ENTIRE 9/11 Truth movement... YOU??? Wow! Then maybe ATS should make a special forum called "Bonez Exclusive 9/11 Forum- The only credible 9/11 info in the World"



MAN! Your extreme arrogance is pretty annoying, and frankly, I asked SPECIFICALLY in the OP that we leave wanton character assassinations out of this, and to discuss the facts. Can you not do that? Then why are you here? I mean really man, get to discussing Cimino's statements in these videos, please. Your wanton dismissal of fricken EVERYTHING is what's getting old.

Viper: IF you have seen the black box serial numbers, then please link the articles where you have seen them. Cause that will be BIG news. Otherwise, I have no idea WHAT you are talking about. NO ONE has seen those numbers yet, after MULTIPLE FOIA requests.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_When P4T continues to associate with the likes of CIT, Cimino, Lear, and have Rob at the helm, they have had and will continue to have zero credibility.

I sense that a lot of really bad information comes from that outfit. I know they made a similar claim about the cockpit door never being opened, but neglected to mention that it was never open during any of the 30+ hours recorded by the flight data recorder, even during maintenance sessions. The only logical conclusion would be that it simply was not hooked up to the flight data recorder.

I also understand they recently claimed in one of their videos that United 93 and United 175 made a "swap" somewhere along the line although in reality they never came closer than 20 nautical miles to one another. They just don't seem to be a source of credible information to me.

Originally posted by GovernmentLoyalist
I sense that a lot of really bad information comes from that outfit.

And I sense even worse info, flat out lies, cover ups, and deliberate disinformation comes from the Q-UNIT, which sends people to this forum to register today, just to respond to this thread trying to further discredit P4T. I mean really, who in the hell do you think you are fooling?

:shk:

reply to post by TrueAmerican


There is no need for anyone to discredit P4T, they do the job all by themselves with their omissions and flat out lies. Those of us in the Q Unit are forbidden from going after them. We are only supposed to point out reality.

Originally posted by TrueAmericanAnd I sense even worse info, flat out lies, cover ups, and deliberate disinformation comes from the Q-UNIT...

What is a Q-UNIT? I'm not familiar with that term.

reply to post by GovernmentLoyalist


Q- Group is the "official" term:



Also, see:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and...
www.opinion-maker.org...

reply to post by vipertech0596


Q Unit...?"

Do you get a sekrit decoder ring .....

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Sorry, TA, but you keep putting PFT up on a pedestal and insinuating that everything they and those they associate with are putting out accurate and factual information and that nothing could possibly be incorrect at all.

You have to open up to the possibility that there are people here and elsewhere who know more and have more experience than the few at PFT.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by DeeKlassified

 

Im a full time technician with an Air National Guard F-16 unit. That is the best you are going to get. I've already had one person off of ATS try and find me in real life.

Heehee! I'm not a stalker and have no urge to find you in real life! I was just being curious. Sounds like a very cool job. Would love to fly in one of those, although I'd probably be sick, my stomach doesn't like G-forces!