Originally posted by mee30
Well I disagree to be honest... Socialism needs a central government to share the wealth, it couldn't be achieved without a central government. You
say do away with capitalism but it is capitalism that dictates where things need to go and how much and when. How would you know what people want in a
socialist society without central planning?
No socialism does not need central government. Socialism is worker ownership, workers organizing and running industry themselves. It can be
completely libertarian (anarchism).
The wealth is shared because all people able to work will be able to work. There would be no unemployment. There would be no capitalists keeping the
means of production out of peoples hands.
Capitalism does not dictate where things go. Capitalism is simply private ownership of the means to produce.
A monopoly on production. The capitalists dictate what is produced, to maintain scarcity, and manipulate the market to their benefit.
How would we know what people want? Why do 'we' need to know that? We don't know that now, desire is created artificially. The only things we
we need are food and shelter, and a lot of the world doesn't have that due to capitalism and the monopoly over production.
Again I disagree, because you insert a straw man... Yes at the MOMENT we have corporations lobbying government etc and using their
"authority" to exploit people. But that is not capitalism! That is CRONY-capitalism. We need anarco-capitalism Or free market capitalism... I want
rid of government too! But we need some system to be able to determine where resources should go! There is no way to do that without capitalism!
Yes it is capitalism. Capitalism is simply the 'private ownership of the means of production'. It is a left-wing term appropriated by capitalists
who added the 'free-market' lie to it.
Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron. Capitalism is an authoritative system, it can not be anarchist in the true sense. Even if they were no
government, the capitalists would still have authority over the workers. Anarchism is not just no government, it is a political system that offers an
alternative to capitalism. Anarchism is and has always been a form of socialism.
Think about a socialist society, how exactly do you think it would function? How would you determine payment for your services? How would you
know the value of a particular service? Or do you think everyone should be paid the same? If so how would you enforce that? With no government to
enforce it the world would easily slip into capitalism again anyway! Because say people didn't grow wheat and therefore there was not much bread?
People would want bread and be willing to pay more for it! That is supply and demand! You need that and it is natural and self rectifying. Hence you
do not need central planning, hence you do not need government.
Socialist society would not be based on making profit, it is a needs based system. What keeps us in bondage and poverty is the capitalist need to
make profit. If the workers own the means of production then the workers would decide what their community needs, not a private owner who has no
vested interest in the community.
In a worker owned economy we wouldn't send jobs overseas to cheaper labour markets, we would use the machinery to produce what we need. It is a
community based system, each community would decide what their needs are.
Capitalism is a centralized system, the means to produce are owned and controlled by a minority class for their own benefit, not for the collective
benefit of the community. Production should be for the benefit of the community, not for private bank accounts.
Capitalism makes a lot of money that the community that works get no benefit from. Capitalist profit increase while workers wages stagnate or reduce.
Capitalists send your jobs overseas, again denying you and your community needed resources.
Capitalism wastes resources by producing crap we don't need, because some idiot somewhere with more money than sense wants it.
The capitalist system was set up simply for land owners to exploit the commoners.