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Top Immigration Officials Describe Border Chaos Resulting From Admin's Amnesty Policy

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posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 11:41 AM
I do not agree with this administration's immigration policy. I have no objection to people coming to this country legally, but the new policies are affecting the safety and security of the country in a negative manner.

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 12:01 PM
The protocol described by these gentlemen is shocking? More of this will probably be documented shortly, now that they have National attention. Seriously,,, WTF

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 12:21 PM
My mom is a legal resident alien from Asia. Do the new policies mean she and others like her can stop carrying their green cards around? I've got legal resident alien friends from Somalia, Korea, Jordan, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel, name just a few places off the top of my head. So can they all just claim they are students and not have to provide proof of legal residence now? Can they all break other laws and get away free if they claim they are here to get an education? Or does this privilege only apply to one special group of immigrants? If it is to be applied to all my legal resident alien friends, why even bother having any immigration laws at all? And if it is only applied to a special protected class of immigrants, we should all call "racism" in favor of just one group of people.

I'm not against educating even illegal immigrants. I have a lot of empathy for and sympathy with the plight of our friends south of border who are struggling to survive. But what is being described in the video is pure craziness. Here citizens and legal residenrs are being monitored to within an inch of our lives and taxed and fined like never before and they are telling me some dude can get away with assaulting a federal officer BECAUSE he is now part of a special protected class of CRIMINAL. Good grief is there a sane country i can EMIGRATE to? Because this one is flushing itself down the toilet.

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 03:49 PM
From the video: " An alien was arrested by local police and placed in jail on 2 charges.
Charge 1, assault with bodily injury to a family member.
Charge 2, interference with that person's attempt to call for emergency assistance.

When ICE later arrested the individual for immigration violations he attempted to escape, another criminal offense. One agent was injured in the incident claiming the injuries were intentionally inflicted by the escapee, another criminal offense. of course assault of a federal agent.

So in this case we have 4 possible criminal charges, two involving violence, one injured family member, one injured officer, without any questioning, without any investigation. The alien was released as a dreamer. No criminal charges, no immigration charges, no nothing."

We will be seeing a lot more of this unless something is done to stop this outrage.
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posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 03:53 PM
reply to post by Night Star

They will do nothing to stop this, I can only believe that this is part of some sort of divide and conquer technique. They love to play the populace by the race strings, and giving one race or group of people freedom from laws will surely create a divide.

posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:04 PM

On June 7, 2011, his brother, Denny, was killed by an illegal alien driving drunk in Chicago. The driver, Saul Chavez, was arrested at the scene. During a previous drunk driving arrest in 2007, he admitted to police that he was in the country illegally.McCann said that Cook County officials, which includes Chicago, assured him that Chavez would spend six to twelve years in prison before he was deported. Instead, on September 7, 2011, Cook County passed its own ordinance in which the county refused to cooperate with ICE on any detainers, even repeat offenders like Chavez.

Evidentally you can get away with murder if you're an illegal. Hope the pro-illegal folks are ok with this. Instead the pro illegal folks see us as racist, haters, heartless and whatever other colorful word they can use to describe anti-illegal people.
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posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
reply to post by Night Star

They will do nothing to stop this, I can only believe that this is part of some sort of divide and conquer technique. They love to play the populace by the race strings, and giving one race or group of people freedom from laws will surely create a divide.

Something is certainly up.

Here is another guy let loose who ended up murdering someone. Taken from the same link I posted above.

Rodriguez-Flamenco was picked up for a burglary and subsequently ICE placed a detainer on him. That detainer was ignored when Rodriguez-Flamenco posted bond. In November 2011, Rodriguez-Flamenco allegedly stabbed to death 45-year-old Kathleen Byham outside a Wal-Mart in Albion, N.Y.

This is unacceptable. It is insane to let these illegals get away with the things they do. They come here without any background or healthchecks. Thousands of citizens have lost their lives because of illegals and our laws not being enforced.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 01:08 AM
reply to post by Night Star

It is crazy. It's chaos. And it hurts the non violent illegals as much as anyone because it causes resentment when our hands are tied to do anything about the violent offenders. Not to mention the non violent illegals are often victims, too, and their recourse to justice and safety is being stripped away, too.

It's crazy we can't even have a dialogue about it without the race card being pulled. Heck I am as brown as anybody. Because of the kind of racial/ethnic mix I am, I am indistinguishable from any Latina. I am always approached by people speaking Spanish to me and I have to clarify I am not Hispanic and do not know the language and then I get treated to a barrage of racism for not being what I appear to be. I also do get racist treatment from Caucasians. I get it from all sides, it's an interesting perspective I get and keeps me as open and empathetic to all sides as its possible to get.

But the kind of lawlessness these "sanctuary zone" policies are creating are stupid and intolerable. We need to open a dialogue with our local leaders but there is so much pandering going on and so much waving of terms like bigot and racist we can't get anywhere or help anybody.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 11:59 AM
Every time we think we're getting somewhere, something happens. It's like we take one step forward, two steps back. A shame! I used to laugh when people would say I just don't like illegals because they are brown. My husband is portugeuse.

Anyway, this is an extremely important topic and I'm glad you brought it to our attention. I was hoping this thread would get more attention though. I think between the olympics and the poster who had everyone involved in his 7 ft aliens, it got lost in the shuffle.

I have seen so many people's lives affected by this. So many of the criminals had had previous arrests and deportations. Can you imagine losing a loved one because of an illegal and our laws not being enforced? One guy lost his wife and child in the same day. One teenager lost both her legs etc. So very tragic.

Then there is the job situation where millions of our citizens are unemployed while illegals are working. It's just a mess. It isn't like years ago where jobs were plentiful.

Again, thanks for making this thread. I hope more people get to see it.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 12:06 PM
good thread and more people really need to see the direct effect of this nonsense policy.

if this isn't bad enough, i just received a petition in email regarding the recent Congressional decision to award Social Security benefits to illegals.
Senate passed it and the House is considering it (vote not scheduled as of this posting)

anyone who receives such funding should be required to be a fully-naturalized or native citizen.
illegals, who haven't contributed a dime, shouldn't be collecting a penny.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 12:25 PM
reply to post by Honor93

And they wonder why people are outraged. Our government will bend themselves backward to please illegals while our citizens struggle and suffer. We have many citizens who fall short a buck or two of the poverty level and are refused any benefits. Some have to choose between food or life saving medicines. I once saw an elderly woman break out crying because she couldn't get help, but illegals did.

It is time we take care of our citizens and worry about others later.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Night Star
It is time we take care of our citizens and worry about others later.

And that, right there, sums up the situation pretty succinctly. Truth. In your face and For The Win.

This is what you get with a federal government so big, so out of control, that the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, it's just that the left hand doesn't give a flying crap. Socialism and illegal votes at all costs. Nice to get the real word from ICE and the border patrol itself about what is REALLY going on. Thanks for the video and F&S!

And oh yeah: :shk:

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 12:44 PM
Ignoring criminal charges.

Citizens dont even have those rights.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 01:24 PM
There are some really hardworking, wonderful desirable people coming here from Mexico and South American countries. Not all of them are legal, but at least they are non violent. I don't see why we can't do some immigration reform to streamline the process for them. I'm not against giving our nearest neighbors a slightly preferential treatment in an orderly, legal process to help them become citizens. At some point you just have to acknowledge who your country's "cousins" are and that would be our Canadian family and our southern family. Sharing the same continental land masses is a special relationship that deserves some acknowledgement. I am willing to concede a degree.

I've seen hispanic immigrants transform some hard hit communities for the better, like the blighted one I grew up in. My dad is elderly and some of his Hispanic immigrant neighbors (don't know their status) have "adopted" him and help him with heavy lifting and yard work for free because it's in their family values to care for elders. They do kind of pull together nicely and do stuff for each other. There can definitely be benefits to southern immigration.

My mom is studying for citizenship and my parents tell me it is a messy process with lots of conflicting requirements. They have actually hired a lawyer to sort it out because at this age they get confused so easily. I've tried to help them but it's not easy doing that and keeping track of their medical issues as well. I can't imagine how daunting the process is for stressed out Hispanic immigrants fleeing for their lives in some cases.

So I do not understand why we don't set up a modern day Ellis Island of sorts along the border and in Florida for the influx that filters itself via that route.. (by Ellis Island I mean a very recognizable destination that anyone can easily identify and find and one that has some accomations nearby so people aren't just sleeping in alleys as they come in.) Make the requirements simple and straightforward as it was for my husband's ancestors coming from poor crime ridden parts of Europe. Then arrest and deport anyone who tries to bypass that system. If they can't meet something that is simplified and designed specifically with their needs in mind, they have even less right to complain and no basis at all to pull any kind of "card" whatsoever.

I think we all are ready to welcome aspiring citizens of any color or ethnicity. But we do not want agents of chaos which is what illegal immigrants currently are, and what our own existing system is turning them all into...even the good people.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 01:46 PM
reply to post by SheeplFlavoredAgain

don't see why we can't do some immigration reform to streamline the process for them.
why should we coddle the criminals ??
they did "break in" didn't they ??

oh, they're not violent you say ... and, you know this how?
i live in a sanctuary city and the violence is INCREASING.

there IS a legal process to help them, they just choose to dodge it.
i'm "cousins" with people all over the world, but that doesn't make all of us citizens of the USA.

if continental land mass was soooooo important, how do you explain Central America ??
and the how many nations ?? 6 or 8 of'em on property smaller than the land mass of TX ??
yeah, land mass is real important in this argument, isn't it ??

so are those "immigrants" who re-built the city you grew up in legal or illegal?
i also know lots of immigrants (legal ones) who are a fabulous addition to the American fabric.
however, i can never say such about an illegal one.

sorry to hear that your mom is struggling, however, there is plenty of assistance available.
and, since she can afford to hire a lawyer, she should have completed this process long ago.

ah geeeez, do you have any idea how many thousands of illegals avoided the last amnesty program in the 80s? why o'why should we extend such an olive branch only to have it snubbed and rubbed in our faces ??

ah nevermind, i forgot ... it's a NEW generation
(generation of slackers but that's another issue)

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 01:52 PM
It's all part of the plan to destroy America, the government is doing such a great job now, no reason to slow down the process. Don't forget to tell your kids sorry for letting your house crumble for them to inherit and fix when you pass away...

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 04:37 PM
reply to post by SheeplFlavoredAgain

Of course there are non-violent illegals. I won't argue that fact, however, Let me tell you about the illegal people I knew. And yes, I knew they were illegal, they told me. Once they trust you they open right up. Most of the women had husbands or boyfriends and had two incomes but lied and said they were a one income household. Their incomes combined were well above the poverty limit. They recieved cheap housing,medical, food, all through deciet. Most of them had no intention of becoming legal as they 'got more by being illegal' (their words). One man was a child molester. I had loved that guys company as he was so funny and sweet and thoughtful. Oh my God was I shocked to see his pic and what he had done.

These are former co-workers. Some have since moved back to their own country. One has a large home near the sea. Another has a big farm and nice house. Some are still here screwing the system. I was shocked as these were the nicest people. When I see citizens who need help and are denied while decietful illegals get away with everything it makes me so upset. Why are illegals placed on a pedestal while citizens are struggling to feed their families?

We have people who are coming here through the proper channels, who have a background and health check and with great respect for our country, its laws and our language. No illegal should shove their way to the head of the line. It is neither fair nor right.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 11:05 PM
reply to post by Honor93

I think you misread me. I'm not talking about Amnesty. Good gracious no. Isn't that what got us into this mess to begin with? I'm talking about a better facilities and a more streamlined process that immigrants can initiate from the start. The immigration process is not easy to navigate for people with impoverished backgrounds and little education. Somehow in the past though, we were able to accommodate poor ignorant immigrants and get them processed through Ellis Island. It was not a perfect setup, but it worked for plenty of people from whom many of us are descended today. I'm just suggesting we revive or adapt elements of Ellis Island that worked.

It would help by having a non porous border, as existed with the very real physical barrier of ocean for Ellis Island. Currently, the border is woefully unprotected and I think that's a travesty for a country whose military is as heavily funded as ours is. We have an actual invasion by foreign nationals that is not being dealt with at all.

The only "favoritism" I would suggest showing our southern "cousins" is perhaps a modified set of residency requirements or immigration requirements after EXPERT analysis of how this could be done for everyone's mutual benefit. It is not that far different than what other countries already have in place to attract certain classes of immigrants above others. Ironically Mexico has one that offers incentives for us to immigrate to Mexico. But theirs favors our wealthy, of course.

The purpose is not to coddle anyone but to make sure that we funnel in and process and document into an organized system the people who would like to be citizens and whom we would be willing to take on. Among them some may not always be the best and the brightest and educated that the other countries give preferential treatment to, but they would be willing to work and would be easily regulated just like the rest of us and trackable. I'm not suggesting we stop rounding up and deporting anyone who tries to bypass the system or who tries to assist others in doing so.

When I spoke favorably of illegals, I was just doing so to point out some/many of them could still be desirable citizen material. There IS an element of racist undertone in these discussions if we fail to acknowledge what is positive about the people we are discussing. As a minority of mixed Non Hispanic heritage myself I'm always sensitive to that. It's so easy to cross the line and degenerate into insults and demonizing the "offending" side. I'm just trying to keep an even keel here. But they need to get processed. Currently they are breaking the law, they should be deported when caught. End of.

My mother is not struggling in the way you think she is, she has three sets of documentation with conflicting requests on them and conflicting verbal instructions from the people she has contacted. Efforts to get clarification just result in repeated contradiction, which is why a lawyer has been consulted. There is no rush, there is no deadline. She has been a legal resident alien longer than I've been alive, and I ain't no spring chicken. And of course all these years she's been impeccable about maintaining her proper documentation. Illegal immigration riles her up real good, I assure you!

As for why she didn't do this years ago, my goodness you are so warmed up on indignation you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions. She retained her native citizenship while her mom was alive so it would be easier to care for and manage her mother's affairs as gran aged and got health problems. Where my mom is from, they are a bit insular and it would have been challenging for her to do certain things there for her mom without retaining her citizenship. My gran has passed away and my mom now feels she can focus on her life and the next generation in this country. It is purely a matter of sentiment for her because she loves America and wishes to be an American citizen when she passes away. My mom is of mixed heritage and from Asia.

So your thinking that I want special treatment for people of the Americas over my own mom from Asia just because I'm some nitwit Hispanic sympathizer is way off base. I just want a practical, humane, reasonable compromise that is going to be better than the divisive, lawless, politically correct, logically incorrect, and sometimes racist (on both sides) mess we have going for us now.

My proposals may not be the best, I admit. What do you expect from someone who hangs out on the Internet discussing temporal anomalies and whether or not Nelson Mandela died in an alternate reality? Temper your expectations! I'm not a nitwit but I am a few ants short of a picnic.
and I like to laugh, so don't take me too seriously, okay!
edit on 28-7-2012 by SheeplFlavoredAgain because: Im fixing more lousy wording. Hemingway, I'm not...not even Mariel Hemingway!

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posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 11:48 PM
reply to post by Honor93

I reread my opening paragraph twice to see how I was misread. Whoops, yeah it does look like I am advocating amnesty, sorry I'm a lousy writer. No I mean I want things set up better so that while they are still on their side of the border, it's designed to funnel them through the proper channels better, with greater clarity and less uncertainty and with requirements that meet our needs and theirs reasonably. . I keep going back to the idea of Ellis Island because it was surrounded by a border of water. It was centralized, and mostly, it worked. Sadly, some sick people were turned away and turned back because they had dangerous infectious diseases. It had to be that way and still should be. It's very heartbreaking from a humanitarian point of view, but so is a pandemic.

As for Sanctuary Cities, I lived in one and had a scary encounter with what likely was MS-13. I actually recounted that experience in my earlier post and then erased it without posting it. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before on ATS. I got circled by gang members when I was walking my dog in my own usually calm suburban neighborhood. I can't say for sure they were MS-13 but that was the gang causing all the problems in the vicinity around the time my encounter took place. Haha, here I am erasing my account of it again. My instinct says this is not the right atmosphere to relate such a tale. I am here, my dog and I were not harmed. That settles that. But I remember my frustration in knowing it was futile to report it to the police. We were not just a sanctuary city, we were pander bears! When my husband and I went to the post office to get our mail forwarded because we were moving, we could not get waited on because not a single one of the post office employees was willing or able to speak English!

When my dad and mom visited me there and we went to get a sub, we couldn't get service because we didn't speak Spanish. An Indian employee whose English was also a bit rough, assisted us. The other employees just stood there staring blankly at us.

So yes, I'm well acquainted with the joys of living in a Sanctuary City. can't! It's impossible to function in one for very long.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 12:00 AM
reply to post by SheeplFlavoredAgain
amnesty was offered some time ago and by-passed by these criminals you hold so dearly.
[not directed at your family as i do not know your specific history]

what got us into this mess was not deporting or prosecuting every evader then.
kinda like what happened to the draft-dodgers of their day.

we don't need the influx of immigrants that Ellis accomodated.
immigration isn't supposed to be easy.
aren't we bending over enough by allowing naturalization without proper language skills?

a non-porous border ??
where do you think that could exist ??
how would you "close-off" the other thousands of border miles when we cannot even manage the small one that meets TX?

i will not budge on our southern cousins UNTIL they change their rules, first.
otherwise, i vote we emulate theirs.

it's not like citizens are fleeing the US and setting up an illegal shop in Mexico.
so, why should we make it "easier" here ??

Mexico does not allow, permit, or encourage ILLEGAL emigration to their country.
until they do, we should not.

once we have dealt with the ongoing illegal situation, then we can address stream-lining existing protocols. i am not against changing existing methods, just not to or for anyone who arrived illegally, period.

we aren't "picking the brightest" now, what makes you think we would then?

to me, illegals will NEVER be desirable citizens, they are criminals, period.
i live next to enough of them to know, without a doubt, most prefer being criminals.

you need to get off the fence and land on one side or the other.
either you are for illegals or you are not, there is no middle ground.

i jumped to no conclusion.
as a matter of fact, i quoted you, then asked a question.
how in hadies is that jumping to a conclusion?

she could have obtained "dual" citizenship but chose not to and for "personal need", not community development, she chose to continue breaking the law until it was either convenient or mandatory that she do something about it. how is that even trying to complete the process available ??

regardless of her nationality, it wasn't a legal entry was it?
after 3 generations, she's now getting around to it, right?
and not because it's required but because ...

it is purely a matter of sentiment for her because she loves America and wishes to be an American citizen when she passes away.
now, how does this exemplify a law-abiding citizen in any way, shape or form?
again, this isn't for or about nation building, this is called selfishness and shouldn't be tolerated.

since you cannot reasonably argue your own points, please refrain from putting word in my mouth.
i fight my battles just fine, thank you.
your proposal is ridiculous and outlandish, not workable.

laughing is good and i'm all for it but this subject is far too sensitive to be considered joke material.

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