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Scopolamine - Drug of Slaves, Zombies, Sex Prisoners and other sick things

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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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This drug is like salvia and bath salts mixed together.


Medical science has yet to establish if the drug affects our autonomy, but it is known that scopolamine affects memory and makes people more passive. Neuroscientist Renate Thienel, from the University of Newcastle in Australia, has studied its effects on problem-solving and memory tasks during brain scans. He notes that "scopolamine has a selective effect on memory, although other mental functions, such as planning and information manipulation, are unaffected". This suggests victims remain cognitively nimble but unable to retain information.


www.wired.co.uk...


And this right here is extremely interesting -- it is a web page with a detailed description of a person who has been placed under the influence of this drug.

www.erowid.org...


r that he had completed a sizeable amount of rather demanding paperwork earlier in the workday, with no recollection of even being delegated this task


Just that this drug can be used to basically zombify anyone that came into contact with a sizable amount. This is a really scary drug. This could be put into water at low dosages to control an entire population without them even realizing they are being controlled (take note: low dosages. High dosages carry a higher risk of leaving the memory blank but this effect is achieved when intoxication is present during the administering of the drug ). I can already think of some creative ways this drug could be used...but I won't say.

The CIA and Nazi Germany have ties with this drug being used heavily as a "truth serum" drug, but I believe this drug has more sensible uses as a control-drug. It is used today to dry the mouth and reduce secretions during surgery, and at doses of .33 mg, used to cure motion sickness in NASA astronauts. But at higher dosages (4-8) can be used to render someone in a complete zombie-like state, abiding by everything you tell them to do, and add in a bit of liquor, and they won't remember a thing. They will act completely normal as if it was just something else for them.


sometimes against themselves such as assisting in a robbery or their own murder. While the crimes may be caught by video tape and look like the person committing the crime is using free will, they are actually being controlled to commit the crime, and will have no memory of it afterward.


It would be really interesting to find a connection with this drug and the recent trending topic: the Aurora shooting, but I don't think this drug has anything to do with it, seeing how Holmes had been collecting (or recieving) his armaments over a 4 month process.

This is a really dangerous and interesting drug. I think we will start to see more of this drug appearing as time goes on and may in fact play a role in a murder case. That is one thing I will like to document.
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UPDATE: Just saw this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Seeing that Holmes is claiming amnesia...I think I may be on to something here.
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ETA: post by kozmo

I think alot of people realize there may be something that ties this drug to the shooter. Again, I'm not so quick to jump the gun, so I didn't think Scopolamine was used seeing as it was over a 4-9 month period (depending on source). Still, if it turns out that James Holmes isn't really the person that killed that people, we will have a very scary situation here. But at the memories of the people who saw this man before they died, I will not jump the horse just yet.
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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Thanks for bringing this up, again. There is already a few threads on it but they don't get enough attention. I feel as though this is a serious thing.

Thank you for posting.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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This just sounds like a bunch of hype and over exaggerating. If you take massive amounts of a lot of anti-chlorgenics you become delirious. Benadryl and Dramamine would seem to have the same type of effects if taken at extreme doses.

It has/had some legit medical uses as well


Although scopolamine is sometimes portrayed in the media as a dangerous drug, its anticholinergic properties give it some legitimate medical applications in minute doses. An example is the treatment of motion sickness by use of a transdermal patch.[4]



Scopolamine has been used in the past to treat addiction to drugs such as heroin and coc aine. The patient was given frequent doses of scopolamine until they were delirious. This treatment was maintained for 2 to 3 days after which they were treated with pilocarpine. After recovering from this they were said to have lost the acute craving to the drug to which they were addicted


en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
This just sounds like a bunch of hype and over exaggerating. If you take massive amounts of a lot of anti-chlorgenics you become delirious. Benadryl and Dramamine would seem to have the same type of effects (it seems) if taken at extreme doses.

It has/had some legit medical uses as well


Although scopolamine is sometimes portrayed in the media as a dangerous drug, its anticholinergic properties give it some legitimate medical applications in minute doses. An example is the treatment of motion sickness by use of a transdermal patch.[4]



Scopolamine has been used in the past to treat addiction to drugs such as heroin and coc aine. The patient was given frequent doses of scopolamine until they were delirious. This treatment was maintained for 2 to 3 days after which they were treated with pilocarpine. After recovering from this they were said to have lost the acute craving to the drug to which they were addicted


en.wikipedia.org...
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Yeah I covered that it is used in modern science in surgeries and even in NASA. What I'm getting at though, is the cognitive effects of this drug, aside from the delusions and hallucinations. It can render someone extremely docile, and this isn't the only drug that can do this.

Minute doses of many dangerous drugs are used in modern science. What I'm talking about is 4-8 mg of this stuff.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
This just sounds like a bunch of hype and over exaggerating. If you take massive amounts of a lot of anti-chlorgenics you become delirious. Benadryl and Dramamine would seem to have the same type of effects if taken at extreme doses.

It has/had some legit medical uses as well


Although scopolamine is sometimes portrayed in the media as a dangerous drug, its anticholinergic properties give it some legitimate medical applications in minute doses. An example is the treatment of motion sickness by use of a transdermal patch.[4]



Scopolamine has been used in the past to treat addiction to drugs such as heroin and coc aine. The patient was given frequent doses of scopolamine until they were delirious. This treatment was maintained for 2 to 3 days after which they were treated with pilocarpine. After recovering from this they were said to have lost the acute craving to the drug to which they were addicted


en.wikipedia.org...
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Their is a grate documentary about it online. Its not over hyped. If you blow this in some ones face they are your slave. You tell them to empty your bank account for you and they will.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
This just sounds like a bunch of hype and over exaggerating. If you take massive amounts of a lot of anti-chlorgenics you become delirious. Benadryl and Dramamine would seem to have the same type of effects if taken at extreme doses.

It has/had some legit medical uses as well


Although scopolamine is sometimes portrayed in the media as a dangerous drug, its anticholinergic properties give it some legitimate medical applications in minute doses. An example is the treatment of motion sickness by use of a transdermal patch.[4]



Scopolamine has been used in the past to treat addiction to drugs such as heroin and coc aine. The patient was given frequent doses of scopolamine until they were delirious. This treatment was maintained for 2 to 3 days after which they were treated with pilocarpine. After recovering from this they were said to have lost the acute craving to the drug to which they were addicted


en.wikipedia.org...
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Correct, it appears excessive use of this drug in vast doses (we are talking grams not milligrams) will result in potential poisioning, which i can assure you, will not cause you to turn into a zombie, but most likely render you unconcious, with some pretty horrific side effects, not excluding psychosis.

Sure its something to avoid, however its unlikely you will be zombified.


@Infi8nity - Again this is highly unlikely, to prevent "free will" would result in a complete cerebral meltdown pushing the personality into a complete submissive service, this in turn WILL result in psychosis, coupled with incredible psychotic rage events.

In short - IF (which it does not) it did this, the human being would be "zombiefied" for no more than 20-30 minutes before the "brain" (subconcious usually) starts pushing back, resulting in MASSIVE level's of uncontrollable rage (as your primal instincts kick in).

The end result is, the affected person would simply become a caveman, and is likely to kill their captors.
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Spruk

Originally posted by RealSpoke
This just sounds like a bunch of hype and over exaggerating. If you take massive amounts of a lot of anti-chlorgenics you become delirious. Benadryl and Dramamine would seem to have the same type of effects if taken at extreme doses.

It has/had some legit medical uses as well


Although scopolamine is sometimes portrayed in the media as a dangerous drug, its anticholinergic properties give it some legitimate medical applications in minute doses. An example is the treatment of motion sickness by use of a transdermal patch.[4]



Scopolamine has been used in the past to treat addiction to drugs such as heroin and coc aine. The patient was given frequent doses of scopolamine until they were delirious. This treatment was maintained for 2 to 3 days after which they were treated with pilocarpine. After recovering from this they were said to have lost the acute craving to the drug to which they were addicted


en.wikipedia.org...
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Correct, it appears excessive use of this drug in vast doses (we are talking grams not milligrams) will result in potential poisioning, which i can assure you, will not cause you to turn into a zombie, but most likely render you unconcious, with some pretty horrific side effects, not excluding psychosis.

Sure its something to avoid, however its unlikely you will be zombified.


Far from unlikely. Like I said before, minute doses of most drugs are used in modern science, and of course, high dosage of anything will kill you. But just the right amount and you would be in a docile state. It isn't something that would be immediate, and it would take some time for the effect to take place, but the zombified state is no child's play.

Here I even provided a link detailing someone's exposure to this drug at 7 mg and it even explains what happens to that person: www.erowid.org...

The drug does not shut down the specific parts of your brain that control self-control like the amygdala or the prefrontal. It stops your ability to reason turning you into a slave
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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You aren't their slave. You are just delirious, a lot of drugs can do this do you. Benadryl can, it's over the counter in every USA store.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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I hope this thread doesn't get shut down, but it may because it violates T&C.

Regarding Scopolamine, a very dangerous substance, you should be very careful. If I remember correctly it belongs to the nightshade group and is native to Columbia where it grows wildly. It's nicknamed the Zombie Drug and Devil's Breath, this is because it severely inhibits free will and allows one under it's effects to be "controlled," in a sense.

Prostitutes will drug foreigners with it and order them to empty their bank accounts at an ATM machine. While under its effects, you are delirious and will have no recognition of anything which took place while you were intoxicated; for this reason, it is also used as a date rape drug.

With that being said, it is possible that Scott Holmes may have been drugged with Scopolamine at the time of the Aurora shooting. It would make sense considering he has no recollection of the event.

Other plants to look into if you're fascinated by Scopolamine are Belladonna and Iboga.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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It inhibits your free will. On top of this, it makes you extremely delirious. You can look up videos of people under the effects of it being ordered to empty their bank accounts or break into houses or perform vulgar acts of sexuality and comply with said orders without any resistance. Scopolamine is nothing like over the counter drugs.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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What freaks me out most about the "blowing it into someone's face" thing is that a few months ago I had a dream that my mother and I were driving around a mall parking lot and a guy motioned us to stop and talk to him and he sprayed something into our faces...


I originally posted this in the "James Holmes claiming amnesia" thread. I didn't know about the aerosol thing then... and I hadn't even heard of Scopolamine back then. I'm very freaked out knowing that this drug is out there. Is it a natural occurring substance or is it a creation of big money pharma?



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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It is in the same family of drugs as benadryl, has the same medicinal uses, and similar negative side effects like delirium and hallucinations. To say that it is nothing like over the counter drugs is just not true. The media chooses to hype certain drugs.
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by cassiper



What freaks me out most about the "blowing it into someone's face" thing is that a few months ago I had a dream that my mother and I were driving around a mall parking lot and a guy motioned us to stop and talk to him and he sprayed something into our faces...


I originally posted this in the "James Holmes claiming amnesia" thread. I didn't know about the aerosol thing then... and I hadn't even heard of Scopolamine back then. I'm very freaked out knowing that this drug is out there. Is it a natural occurring substance or is it a creation of big money pharma?


Like most drugs it begins in a plant and is refined so that the plant's effects become more potent.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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It is in the same family of drugs as benadryl, has the same medicinal uses, and similar negative side effects like delirium and hallucinations. To say that it is nothing like over the counter drugs is just not true. The media chooses to hype certain drugs.
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Last time I checked Benadryl cannot render you docile. Last time I checked, coc aine had the same negative effects as Cortizone itch powder.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by mr10k
This could be put into water at low dosages to control an entire population without them even realizing they are being controlled



At low doses, they just wont get airsick.




posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by mr10k
This could be put into water at low dosages to control an entire population without them even realizing they are being controlled



At low doses, they just wont get airsick.




4mg is what I meant when I said low.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by mr10k
Far from unlikely. Like I said before, minute doses of most drugs are used in modern science, and of course, high dosage of anything will kill you. But just the right amount and you would be in a docile state. It isn't something that would be immediate, and it would take some time for the effect to take place, but the zombified state is no child's play.

Here I even provided a link detailing someone's exposure to this drug at 7 mg and it even explains what happens to that person: www.erowid.org...

The drug does not shut down the specific parts of your brain that control self-control like the amygdala or the prefrontal. It stops your ability to reason turning you into a slave
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Clinical Trials - The website you have posted is more about a erm "users guide" rather than medical research.

My use of the term "Highly Unlikely" is because i do not like to use absolutes, especially when it comes to behavior and brain chemistry changes. Because i/we know so little about the brain i cannot without a shadow of a doubt prove a chemical can or cannot invoke a certain property, it really is a person by person thing.

How i honestly believe in this current case your statement is correct, i have no evidence to back this up, thus use the "highly unlikely" term. I do apologise for any confusion this has created.

@cassiper - Aerosol delivery would be combersome you literally would have to "mace" them with it, add in circulation system problems (or acceleration), and metabolic rate there is no guarentee the effect will be "instantanious", you would have to wait an allotted period of time (probably an hour give or take) before the victim is without mental facalties. So using this in a random attack would be silly, as it gives the victim enough time to get out of the situation, and into the hands of authorities and still manging to supply an adiquate description.
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posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by mr10k
4mg is what I meant when I said low.



You want to dose an entire population at 4mg?

According to THIS web page,

New York City drinking water is world-renowned for its quality. Each day, more than 1 billion gallons of fresh, clean water is delivered from large upstate reservoirs—some more than 125 miles from the City—to the taps of nine million customers...


So we'll take that as a starting point.

The scopolamine has to go through the whole water supply system, since you cant determine whether it will be used for drinking or washing, so also into the water used for food cooking.

But for a "dose" lets say each victim would drink only 0.1 gallons ( 0.38 liters) a day.
This has to contain 4mg of scopolamine.

0.1 gallons water = 4x10^-3 grams scopolamine
1 Billion gallons water = 40000kg

So for your conspiracy theory to be correct, 40000 kilograms of scopolamine has to be dumped into the New York water supply *every day*.

Thats 14,600,000 kg of scopolamine every year.
Just for New York.

I call your theory garbage.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by mr10k

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by mr10k
This could be put into water at low dosages to control an entire population without them even realizing they are being controlled



At low doses, they just wont get airsick.




4mg is what I meant when I said low.


Ok ive just gone through as much documentation i have on this, and there is nothing to indicate the "zombie" factor, i can find a loose reference to it, but the dose supplied to the person (human trial) resulted in the patient losing conciousness (thus not being a zombie). All patience of the higher dose resulted in memory loss.

Sorry, but there has been no studies to prove this will cause zombification (and there i can use an absolute). This proves (in this context) to be no more dangerious as an ethanol induced blackout.

Edit - In regards to causing someone to become a submissive zombie.
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Edit 2:

Finally found a graphical example!

Brain - Scopolamine - Please feel free to read the study.
Brain Function

Right, as you can see from the MRI, both drugs in this study did not affect the frontal lobe, thus meaning reasoning functionality is not impaired in any way shape or form, memory (recollection and creation) appears to be dulled (so to speak).

This just confirms, its no different (in right doses) to an Ethanol induced blackout session.
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