James Holmes' (Batman Shooter's) Father and why you should know who he is..

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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by smith88
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I agree and don't see anything that points him to LIBOR case... but I am willing to bet his software and designs have been used in some pretty hairy cases. He is definitely someone very special and unique in his field; of which very few have tangible skills or experience designing anti-fraud system types... of this being a very close-knit industry. Again that's strictly speculation- I admit.


It is speculation.

When I got my C++ Cert my final project, in fact everyone in the class' final project, involved making a rudimentary neural network. It's specialised, but it's not hugely complex work, necessarily.

He probably is a specialist, but there's a really good chance, as a programmer and techie, that he never deals with ACTUAL clients and their accounts. It could even be (a smart) policy.

Before looking at his resume and jumping to conclusions... Well, don't.

Stick to facts and you'll end up having to back track less and speculate less.




posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother
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What things are the media trying to hide and what evidence do you have that they are trying to hide them? I've seen no proof of that.



Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by SkyWatcher13
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Here is an ATS Thread showing that Google cache showed that originally stories reported Holmes had 2 roommates but if you go to those websites now that information was erased, not corrected but simply erased. Why not report they received erroneous information about roommates and he does not have roommates after all? The fact that they erased the information in their reports is suspicious. And in my opinion shows they are trying to hide something from us. But that's nothing new, I suppose.
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Seeing a story being edited, even without acknowledgement is NOT evidence of anything EXCEPT that the story was edited without an explanation.


So you agree some information could have been deleted? I'm not saying it MEANS anything but it has happened, there is proof of that.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Good points... Like I said, there remains many questions and inconsistencies. Not sure there was a second gas mask, but the location of the primary one is still a bit suspect.

And Holmes' behavior in court did appear very odd. The delayed mugshot, also.

Stumping our nation's best for two days on dismantling a booby trapped apartment - Allegedly built by someone with no formal training - Is questionable too.

Let's just say I'd like to hear his side of the story...



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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The only thing I stated that I believe is fact are the things that are facts such as the eyewitness accounts not matching the media's version of events and that originally two roommates were reported then erased. Everything else I stated was my opinion and admittedly speculative information.

But thank you for your response. I agree with you, I base what I believe in on facts and that's all I'm trying to find out here....what are the facts?



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWatcher13
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The only thing I stated that I believe is fact are the things that are facts such as the eyewitness accounts not matching the media's version of events and that originally two roommates were reported then erased. Everything else I stated was my opinion and admittedly speculative information.

But thank you for your response. I agree with you, I base what I believe in on facts and that's all I'm trying to find out here....what are the facts?


Here's the problem with the facts in cases like these, they take ages to get.

As a culture, we're ohsessed with speed, over accuracy, and that breeds confusion and, ultimately, distrust.

The facts are, in this case, to the best of my knowledge, what the majority say. James Holmes is a crazy psycho who shot up a cinema. That's it.

Really insane things make us look for answers, but in this case it seems like a boring "reality" is reality.

No coverup, no mind control, no hitlist, no other shooters, no LIBOR connection, just a #ed up kid with guns.

Until I see other convincing evidence, that's all there is. And honestly, it's enough without making # up.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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I never once said it didn't happen. It very obviously did. Obviously.

But that's all. It's not evidence of anything except that it was edited.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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I agree and I gave you a star.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Thanks!

My MO is to find true by being very selective in what I believe. Push no agenda except high standards.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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Maybe there wasn't a second gas mask, who knows what to believe at this point. But I have read two reports that stated he was wearing one when he was apprehended and then of course there was the one found on the ground at the far corner of the building.

This ABC News report states he was found in full riot gear when police found him, I assume that includes the gas mask. But I'm not sure what qualifies as full riot gear. Here is the quote from that article:



Holmes was apprehended within minutes of the 12:39 a.m. shooting at his car behind the theater, where police found him in full riot gear and carrying three weapons, including an AR-15 assault rifle, which can hold upwards of 100 rounds, a Remington 12-gauge shotgun, and a .40 Glock handgun. A fourth handgun was found in the vehicle.


The second article I mentioned was Biography.com which stated this:



According to media reports, police officers who responded to the scene found Holmes near the theater, wearing gas mask and body armor. Holmes's hair had been dyed red, resembling that of "the Joker," a well-known Batman villain. According to a report by CBS News, a federal official stated that Holmes appeared to have been "under the radar" when the shooting took place.


So that brings me back to this question...who did the second gas mask belong to and why doesn't the media find it relevant? And if these articles are incorrect, why haven't they deleted the information or released a correction to prevent further confusion?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:23 AM
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I am speaking speculatively... also programming at this level is extremely complex. This isn't a generalization otherwise the work could be reverse engineered fairly easy (I'm speaking generally for that's not the focus of my comments...). Maybe you are extremely talented in this field as well; I don't really know. But to a majority in the industry it's extremely complex. Talking very advanced algorithms here, etc...
This is not my point either, that's a bit of a rabbit trail... you do make good, valid points none the less- thank you.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by smith88
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I am speaking speculatively... also programming at this level is extremely complex. This isn't a generalization otherwise the work could be reverse engineered fairly easy (I'm speaking generally for that's not the focus of my comments...). Maybe you are extremely talented in this field as well; I don't really know. But to a majority in the industry it's extremely complex. Talking very advanced algorithms here, etc...
This is not my point either, that's a bit of a rabbit trail... you do make good, valid points none the less- thank you.


That's not how this sort of programming works, I'd imagine.

I'd imagine it's some sort of object oriented thing, that's a mix of bespoke and off the shelf, because it's ridiculous to rewrite working tools when existing ones are safe and secure.

So things like encryption for transferring data and storing data, that stuff has existed for yonks and is unbreakable. That's not something a CC Fraud/Bank Fraud programming expert is gonna be writing... the field is highly specialised, and as a team leader he may or may not even be coding on a daily basis any more.

Very very little of this stuff is new ground-up projects, when it comes to banking... in fact, if you remember that HSBC/Bank of Scotland debacle last month, the software they were using to batch update accounts is both the the industry standard AND extremely old (in software terms).

Why use old stuff or third party stuff?

You use old stuff for a few main reasons:

- The secure systems a bank use (for example) are bespoke and, for obvious reasons, don't get updated too frequently. So that's the "if it's not broke"/"don't mess with success" reason

- It's been tested in the real world, they don't need to hire new staff, they don't need to retrain staff, it's secure, they have contracts with the people who made it and support it.

Why use third party software libraries/"objects"?

- No one software company has the expert in every facet of their business. Using third party means getting "industry" standards, made by specialists. The chances of someone being both a commercial banking fraud expert and a encryption expert and a hardware expert and a localisation expert, etc., etc. are exactly zero.

- Spending money to stock every "top" firm with dozens of experts, even as consultants, or contractors is wasteful, when there's industry standard libraries that do all of this in secure and "known" ways.

So, Holmes is probably a very specialised expert dealing with commercial banking fraud (credit cards and probably things like skimming). These are small individually, but cost millions and millions to banks. IF a company could, using pattern analysis, determine when a card was being used by someone other than the owner, and kill it sooner than later, after say 2-3 purchases instead of 5-6, it would say untold millions over a few years....

That's the most likely, IMO, scenario re: Holmes, as far as the evidence I've seen. He wouldn't be touching real accounts, or investigating fraud, except way after the fact, and en masse, to develop more meaningful iterations of software.

Chances of any of that bringing him close to really useful info...? 0.000001% or something equally small.

To me, it's like saying the guy who wrote the package tracking software at UPS was part of a drug smuggling ring that used UPS. On the surface you think... ooh, maybe... but in reality, they couldn't be less connected, in most cases. We've seen no evidence to suggest this is anything but a standard situation.
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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Again, the main reason they were quiet edited was so that they didn't look like idiots. News orgs KNOW they screw up breaking news all the time, and get roasted for it in the media, so... they cover their tracks when they judge they can and viola! disappearing inaccuracies.

It's a fine question to ask, but if you pay attention to news websites you'll see it happen endlessly, and it's usually trivial crap. They SHOULD have higher standards, but you know what? As long as we DEMAND fast news, up to the minute reporting, etc., it's kinda our fault.

Want a higher hit-to-miss ratio? Buy a newspaper.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by smith88
reply to post by longlostbrother
 


I agree and don't see anything that points him to LIBOR case... but I am willing to bet his software and designs have been used in some pretty hairy cases. He is definitely someone very special and unique in his field; of which very few have tangible skills or experience designing anti-fraud system types... of this being a very close-knit industry. Again that's strictly speculation- I admit.


You've got LIBOR fixing rates allowing the banks involved to steal money. Now that this detail is out, the percentages that mortgage holders have been over paying to banks is known. So who ultimately pocketed this percentage? Once it came into the banks where was it sent? Seems like if there was some kind of software that banks used to monitor transactions that it could also see where this money was going, sort of like a black box for banks.
If that's the case then who better qualified to follow the trail or interpret the black box data than the lead scientist of the company developing that software?

CM



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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very, very interesting. thank you longlostbrother. you make some great points, most certainly. also helps shape my perspective.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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very good and valid points as well CajunMetal. thanks. i have a friend that has worked in the tech' field for over 20 years... and well he many, many times had to deal with incriminating data trails (from employees, customers, etc...). It can get hairy at times.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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I realize this thread is hoax thread. But... to add a twist to the equation imagine with me for a bit.
As most evidence that we see publicly does paint Holmes red... and let's say he is guilty as charged (which most assume so I suppose...). What if he was manipulated to carry on this event, and there were motive(s).
Let's say an outside (3rd party) exercised this scheme with Holmes as the patsy. What if there were specific targets within the theater (for termination?)...? Is pure speculation; yes. But is it plausible? I read of the lives of the victims and can see military connections with a few of them. What a better way to bring cover to the situation than involve other innocent unrelated victims as well?

Then again I do think many folks (myself included) are just fabricating these theories in hope... in hope and thought that a man wouldn't go ape # on a crowded room of innocent people here in the USA. Such a tragedy, such a horrid thing. Putting fear into the hearts of millions. Unfortunately the reality is people do snap and it scares the # out of me. I'm scared to go to the movies now or any crowded area for that matter. I feel so much for the victims and their friends and families. Like many of you (I assume) I've lost several loved ones and old friends to msc. unexplained tragedies. Leaves a person thinking why for many, many years.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by CajunMetal

Originally posted by smith88
reply to post by longlostbrother
 


I agree and don't see anything that points him to LIBOR case... but I am willing to bet his software and designs have been used in some pretty hairy cases. He is definitely someone very special and unique in his field; of which very few have tangible skills or experience designing anti-fraud system types... of this being a very close-knit industry. Again that's strictly speculation- I admit.


You've got LIBOR fixing rates allowing the banks involved to steal money. Now that this detail is out, the percentages that mortgage holders have been over paying to banks is known. So who ultimately pocketed this percentage? Once it came into the banks where was it sent? Seems like if there was some kind of software that banks used to monitor transactions that it could also see where this money was going, sort of like a black box for banks.
If that's the case then who better qualified to follow the trail or interpret the black box data than the lead scientist of the company developing that software?

CM



No. And completely wrong.

The LIBOR asshats sets the rates and then in a completely different system made bets based on the rates.

There was fraud, but not the "I'm taking your money as an individual" fraud that algorithms could detect.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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How do you find these things? Good work!!!



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Is anyone else able to access the Senate Banking Committees page? I'm getting errors.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by CajunMetal

Originally posted by smith88
reply to post by longlostbrother
 


I agree and don't see anything that points him to LIBOR case... but I am willing to bet his software and designs have been used in some pretty hairy cases. He is definitely someone very special and unique in his field; of which very few have tangible skills or experience designing anti-fraud system types... of this being a very close-knit industry. Again that's strictly speculation- I admit.


You've got LIBOR fixing rates allowing the banks involved to steal money. Now that this detail is out, the percentages that mortgage holders have been over paying to banks is known. So who ultimately pocketed this percentage? Once it came into the banks where was it sent? Seems like if there was some kind of software that banks used to monitor transactions that it could also see where this money was going, sort of like a black box for banks.
If that's the case then who better qualified to follow the trail or interpret the black box data than the lead scientist of the company developing that software?

CM



No. And completely wrong.

The LIBOR asshats sets the rates and then in a completely different system made bets based on the rates.

There was fraud, but not the "I'm taking your money as an individual" fraud that algorithms could detect.



Thanks, I see what you're saying, and I agree but also disagree.

Fraud occurred when LIBOR fixed rates allegedly allowing banks to overcharge millions of American mortgage holders 1-200 dollars extra a month. So now the investigation is about where that money went now that they have a figure? Point being it would lead to the LIBOR banks and the rates fixing. The rates fixing is all they know for sure, they're investigating these other banks for their involvement. Their involvement has to do with these mortgages. If they were tracked and recorded would these transactions solidify the case against LIBOR and the banks involved? What sort of software could do that? Maybe the software that's already tracking their transactions? Is it Holmes' software?

I don't disagree that banks also made bets in a completely different system but one of the other results of the fix, another part of the fraud, is the resulting overcharge on mortgages being paid to a dozen of our US banks involved with LIBOR and the FED.

CM





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