James Holmes' (Batman Shooter's) Father and why you should know who he is..

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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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I agree with millions of others this is not the same guy. Which makes me wonder......where IS the real James Holmes or does this one with orange hair just so happens to have the same name?

It is of my opinion Robert and James Holmes were carefully targeted for what they do for a living because it perfectly fits the storyline of the new Batman movie and too many coincidences relating to some of the "themes" of the opening of the Olympics.




posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Schizoaffective Disorder w/delusions - sudden onset psychosis triggered by stress of school failure and substance abuse. Being adopted, having social anxiety early on is my guess.




posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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agreed. it's not a fable concerning the father's work. on the other note i'm also attending the movies this weekend and will be keeping mental notes. have always loved the new series of batman movies.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by smith88
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agreed. it's not a fable concerning the father's work. on the other note i'm also attending the movies this weekend and will be keeping mental notes. have always loved the new series of batman movies.


Agreed, even though this is Sorcha Faal, who I know to be a serious disinfo agent over the years, there is SOME truth here. I am not going to dismiss the following that I have learned about:

- Robert Holmes DOES have banking connections, and it IS possible he found out something he was not supposed to.

- Many media outlets reported Holmes as having 2 roommates. That was later EDITED from the major mainstream media outlets as saying he lived alone, like he had no roommates.

- There have not been ANY images released showing James Holmes' as he was when the police arrested him. They didn't release any image of him since they arrested him until a week later. The image released was an old one, which I'm not sure where the media got.

- Witnesses report 2 gas grenades being thrown into the theater. One of which came from the side of the shooter, and not the shooter according to a witness.

- The movie theater has not released any security camera footage to my knowledge

- A second gasmask has been found far away from the theater exit at the corner of a building, where a potential getaway car could be.

- Eyewitness reports seeing the suspected shooter open the rear exit door and what seemed like signalling someone to come in. (Which happens, people DO let their friends in the back of a theater to watch a movie for free.)

- Law Enforcement has repeatedly stated how complex and difficult to disarm the explosives in James Holmes' apartment. They say that this process could take days and is very professional. Not ONE image has been released to the public as proof of how complicated this was.

- The explosives in the apartment could have been meant for Holmes' if he could have drove home. Then he would have looked like a crazed person who shot and killed many people, then went home to blow himself up, suicide style.


So in short, I agree to not agree 100% with Sorcha's writings. However, there are some good accurate facts like his father being connected to FICO/bankers. She is probably (and deliberately) off the mark in other insubstantial "facts."

Either way I look at it, things don't add up. There are too many verified facts of this case to be so sure Holmes did this, and/or did this himself.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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I haven't read the comments since this thread was only about 5 pages, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned but I think you should all read this possible 2 month timeline of Holmes' life prior to the shootings. I think this could very well be exactly what has happened.

Please read it (if you haven't already) and tell me what you think.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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That is precisely what I've been contemplating. Too many facts that the public has already discovered and too many open ended innuendos. I do assume that if there is video surveillance/evidence it has been locked down (or it proves everything false?). I mean yes I also take much of the insinuated details to be a stretch of the imagination and a play with words (for the media to sell/sensationalism, etc...).
But the list of details we do know for certain... this list does appear to be maturing.
Yes it is possible that Holmes lost his marbles...
Yes it is possible that the plot of this story is extremely complex...
Yes it is possible that we'll never know the entire truth...
... and yes I suppose it is possible that the story the world is being fed is more of a carefully calculated scheme. His father is working at a senior level with FICO and is responsible for many very profound and powerful applications that serve to secure banks and related institutions against fraud (of which includes vast sums of data collection that can possibly be used in court if need be). I would assume he has accumulated enemies; especially if his contributions to said software equated to men/women being convicted of crimes; and/or fined
(this is a possibility but I do not say it is absolute).



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Hi, I read it. That article started off with Holmes' father being scheduled to testify before Senate. That detail was found to be fabricated and a hoax, that's why this thread is in the Hoax bin.

The rest of the timeline I found to be very imaginative and speculative... But that does not mean there aren't still questions surrounding what happened, and as far as I know all other details that came out about his father are still considered to be true.

Personally, there is one main question that lingers in my mind, and that is were there, and if so, who were the two roommates MSNBC initially reported public records showed that he had? This item disappeared from the news fast, and many might assume it was just an erroneous report - But it had to originate from somewhere.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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Skywatcher that was a very interesting read (from the link you provided); and the video was educational non the less. Someone or several made a very creative line of possibilities. I suppose it is plausible; especially hearing of Holmes current behavior and mental state. If it didn't happen that way the story they foretold would certainly make an excellent book or script. Thanks for sharing.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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I agree, it is all speculation but very interesting and due to Holmes' bizarre behavior since his arrest & the fact that the details of the story have false flag written all over it, I think that timeline very well could have some truth to it.

You have to admit there is something fishy about the whole thing. The police and media are definitely hiding something based on the fact that eyewitness accounts don't match the "official" story. Plus information has been released and then being erased as if they are trying to make us think it was never mentioned (like you said, were there roommates or not), information has been stated but no mention has been made since the first day/night (what happened to the 2nd suspect they were looking for), and crime scene photos don't lie (why is the 2nd gas mask found not relevant to the story and who was bleeding profusely outside the exit door).

I mean really...so none of these things are relevant to the case? In my opinion, all of this is very relevant and extremely suspect. Yet the media wants us to be good little sheep and just believe the events happened as they are telling us and they have the "crazy" gunmen in custody so we can all sleep safe and sound because justice is being served. I call bull#! I realize the judge sealed the case, so that could be the reason they are not releasing any of this information so as not to affect the case, but that doesn't explain why information is still being released that corroborates their version of events, such as this psychiatrist story. Could it be because they are lying? Hmmm I'm going to say yes that's exactly why.
edit on 8/2/2012 by SkyWatcher13 because: Changed "effect" to "affect"
edit on 8/2/2012 by SkyWatcher13 because: forgot to give link



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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You're most welcome. I'm glad you took the time to read it.

I know us conspiracy theorists can have some wild ideas at times and I'll admit maybe even a little gullible when it comes to a good conspiracy, but the official story is just too unbelievable after really looking into the details of the case and the fact that the media is trying to hide these details from us. The sad thing is, we'll never know the truth. Just like 9/11, the official story has been given and that's that. As frustrating as that is, I might as well just convince myself of that fact, shut my mouth, and sit back and watch a very possibly innocent man be put to death. The thought brings tears to my eyes.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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What things are the media trying to hide and what evidence do you have that they are trying to hide them? I've seen no proof of that.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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There is a thread on here about this exact topic in relation to James Holmes.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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I've been all over that thread and have just seen a lot of (mostly debunked) speculation. No real evidence and certainly nothing close to enough evidence to declare something like that a fact.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Very interesting. I still at this point am focused on what if any did Robert Holmes have any enemies? Having a personal interest with his field of work I know that working in bank fraud can be not only extremely stressful, but dangerous. A lot of emotion can be stirred when evidence is brought forward against a party (incriminating) that wasn't playing well with others (if you know what I mean). And those said parties many times will go to great lengths to not only cover their backs but to eliminate the threat to their operation's existence. Fraudulent activity occurs daily in the corporate world; especially in the financial sectors; many times undiscovered. This being said it is extremely plausible that Robert Holmes had enemies at some level at some point in his career. If I were to elaborate a theory I would focus on the facts and focus on him and his career... again especially since he is working at a senior level.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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He's a computer geek which had nothing to do with LIBOR or any other serious fraud, as far as the evidence shows.

Anything else is just a random guess.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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I agree and don't see anything that points him to LIBOR case... but I am willing to bet his software and designs have been used in some pretty hairy cases. He is definitely someone very special and unique in his field; of which very few have tangible skills or experience designing anti-fraud system types... of this being a very close-knit industry. Again that's strictly speculation- I admit.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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Here is an ATS Thread showing that Google cache showed that originally stories reported Holmes had 2 roommates but if you go to those websites now that information was erased, not corrected but simply erased. Why not report they received erroneous information about roommates and he does not have roommates after all? The fact that they erased the information in their reports is suspicious. And in my opinion shows they are trying to hide something from us. But that's nothing new, I suppose.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Sorry I see now that Taggart already responded to your question with the same link I just gave you. And I see that you already stated your opinion regarding that thread. I understand and respect your position on this matter but if you don't believe any of this could be true, does that mean you believe the official story? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm honestly asking.

Thank you.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWatcher13
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Here is an ATS Thread showing that Google cache showed that originally stories reported Holmes had 2 roommates but if you go to those websites now that information was erased, not corrected but simply erased. Why not report they received erroneous information about roommates and he does not have roommates after all? The fact that they erased the information in their reports is suspicious. And in my opinion shows they are trying to hide something from us. But that's nothing new, I suppose.
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I've addressed that multiple times.

There's no evidence, except one source NBC, which claimed to have gotten the info from public records. Interviews paint a different picture of a guy in a one bed apartment, a loner, who hung out with almost no one except his neighbour.

Many news websites do 'quiet edits" without acknowledging them. And if it comes from a source like AP, they do show edits, but on them on their site, but cant control if other sites acknowledge their edits.

Seeing a story being edited, even without acknowledgement is NOT evidence of anything EXCEPT that the story was edited without an explanation.

Leaping to the conclusion that this MEANS something other than that is just that, a leap.

Claiming that there's evidence of something being hidden, as a FACT, is absurd, if that's all the "evidence you have.

If you're trying to be serious, be serious.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWatcher13
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Sorry I see now that Taggart already responded to your question with the same link I just gave you. And I see that you already stated your opinion regarding that thread. I understand and respect your position on this matter but if you don't believe any of this could be true, does that mean you believe the official story? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm honestly asking.

Thank you.


I follow evidence and have a very very high standard for what I believe.

I also check things before I claim them as true.

Speculate to your hearts content, but don't claim something that's not even evidence as proof of a truth.

That's my policy.





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