reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Thank you for the reply.
Indeed, I am not from the US, but from across the pond.
Thanks for putting together Hilray, Barack and Michelle's quotes.
However, I still do not see how they can be called communist. Socialist comments they are, but not pointing out that they are communists.
Regarding my knowledge of communism, I thank you for your suggestions, but I have lots of commuinst relations here in Europe. And being communist is
not very well seen in Europe either.
Then, one question which you did not answer - hope I don't sound agressive, I really just want to know, for my own culture/knowledge - what is
bothering you in Obamacare.
I really do not the details of this system - eventhough I except it to be inspired after the European healthcare systems - and I'm really interested
in knowing/understanding why you guys do not like this system.
some discussions which I had with an American friend are already a hint for me: in US, any common system (as in everybody pays something for a
community service) is very badly viewed.
Are there any further reasons?
Interesting for me, as in Europe our healthcare systems are based on community, and were working really fine (especially the French one), until the
right wing governments (Chirac, Sarkozy) dismantled and privatised more and more parts from it.
People are very protective of these systems in Europe.
For info, when my American friend arrived in Europe, he thought this system was pure bolchevism.
so, again, I am really interested by the reason why you guys abhorre Obamacare - I'm not saying you should not, this is your country & money after
I believe there lies one of the main difference between Europeans and Americans.
Edit: sorry, didn't see your second reply.
So, his thing is more than just social security/socialised medical care? Hmmm, I'm going to spend an hour or two researching more details about
And the thing that annoys you with his system, correct me if I'm wrong, is that by having one centralised government system, this goes against private
businesses? Fair point.
And very interesting too, because that is the exact opposite of the what 99% of European people think.
As for communism, it is the nationalisation (most of the time without financial compensation) of the means of production. In theory it should lead to
the common ownership of these means of production.
Communism does not allow for private business.
Socialism is some sort of "toned done" communism, allowing private businesses to exist. However under socialism those businesses are closely watched
by the government.
This is why, from the Obama quotes you provided, I would say they have a socialist tone, but not a communist one.
And even if US is sliding to the left (too much to the left in your opinion), it is still extremely far from being a socialist country.
If you believe that US is becoming a socialist country, then we Europeans are Stalinist countries.
Again, no agressivity on my side, just trying to understand US, and discuss about our different point of views.
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