Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by OpinionatedB
Ok...so a few different things here I need to admit to before we get into this and a few things I need to explain about the gay rights movement.
#1 -- I'm a married, gay man (20 years) with 4 children.
#2 -- I live in Canada where gay marriage was NEVER an issue and passed without much fuss back in the day.
#3 -- The Gay community is infiltrated with people who like to make money. Much like the religious right who oppose same sex marriage.
They are extremists on both sides of the aisle who continue this nonsense about gay marriage because it makes them rich. All these organizations and
members who pay themselves very healthy salaries to spew hate in on direction or another. (both are to blame equally)
#4 -- MOST people, religious or gay, agree that they do not need to call it "marriage" they just require a "Civil Union" that affords the same rights
under the law that marriage does. Again, MOST people are moderates on this topic, but being represented by the VERY vocal extremists, on both ends,
you can see how that gets drowned out.
#5--The idea that God does not approve of gay people is kind of non sensical. If God does exist, he knows everything that has happened, will
happened, and everything in between right?
So he KNEW that when I was "made" that my chemical makeup would make me attracted to men, which there is NOTHING I can do about, save outright denial,
chemical castration or some drug that hasn't been developped yet.
Therefore he MADE me this way and then will PUNISH me for accepting who I am and living the life that he technically sought to make for me.
See how that conflicts with the whole, you have a choice thing? Free will under religion is an illusion, because the idea of God's Plan. If he's
already decided what's in store for you and then you go about doing exactly what he set out for you in the beginning, how is that fair?
How is God being good when he creates something, broken, according to his standards and then gets upset when that broken thing can't fix itself?
So in closing, it's all about the money.
Do me a favor... I am responding here, but either try to move this topic, or make any comment that discusses how right or wrong they feel about
homosexuality itself to be off topic. (that is not the topic, what people personally feel about others personal lives is not at issue)
I have no problem with what other people do in the privacy of their own home. I do not believe in public displays of affection for any couple, whether
that be homosexual or hetrosexual... some things we have homes for, but that is only my personal opinion, so I practice my personal opinion where I am
concerned, and leave my opinion to myself since that is not against the law, and I suppose it probably shouldnt be, as their are times, such as
picking up a loved one at the airport, that a hug is nice.
Thats how I personally feel about gay people, to each his own it is not my life to live, nor my place to judge others. I dont like it when people
judge me, and I will be damned if I judge anyone else.
Legally speaking.... right now, marriage is something that is protected under freedom of religion. As you probably know, the people of the Jewish
faith have rabbanical courts for their civil matters such as divorce whose rulings are recognised by the state. (ie: the United States government)
As you also probably know, other religions would like to also be able to divorce, and have our marriage contracts recognised under the same religious
freedoms that the consitution currently recognises.
If we change the definition of marriage, taking it out of the umbrella of any type of religious freedom, we may all loose our rights to be able to
divorce according to our religious beliefs in this country.
does this makes sense?
This is why I would rather see marriage itself, taken out of the state, and have all peoples conduct their own civil matters such as divorce and child
custody, according to their own beliefs, regardless of what those are, rather than have any of it mandated by the state, and defined as a state
contract instead of any other kind.
But I believe everyone regardless of any belief, or lack thereof, or race, or sexual orientation, should have equal rights under the law. I think this
is a thing we can all agree upon..... and all fight for. It is what the constitution is about right?
I guess I am just the most worried about that, loosing my rights under the constitution... and I think as it stands it is already on shaky
edit on 26-7-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)