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Originally posted by foxyramirez
Gay man here. Frankly, I don't want anything to do with any religion, I'm atheist, however, because of the laws as they stand, I am unable to share a lot of different benefits with my significant other. And if I know my laws correctly, there ought to be a separation of church and state. This means to me, that either, if your religious laws are to apply (one man, one woman), then legal marriage ought to be done away with completely. This identifies it as a religious institution that has no place in the American legal system. Or, if we are to identify it as a legal institution, then it should be well within my right to go up to my local court house and tie the knot paper wise and maybe have my own marriage ceremony in my back yard among close friends and relatives. And yeah, I do know a few religious gay folks out there and there are some denominations of Christianity that accept gay marriage, I don't get it but whatever.
What really irritates me is that Christians pick and choose the rules they wish to apply. You know, the same chapter that the laws against homosexuality also goes into laws against mixed fabric, planting two or more different crops side by side, laying with a woman while she's on her period, never cutting your beard (and hair I think) as well as any other form of body modification. If Christians are so ready to rally against gay marriage, why aren't they waving the banners for these other absurd bible laws? Why aren't they pushing for the death penalty for sex outside of marriage? Why aren't they exiling women with pierced ears? From what I'm told and understand from my bible study, it's because the arrival of Christ meant a new pact was created and that the old world rules no longer apply. So what this comes down to from my point of view is simply one of two things (more likely a mix of the two); outright bigotry and hate or just total hypocrisy with a dose of blind ignorance.
I'll close this out with my favorite bible verse. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding." Proverbs 3:5
Originally posted by Biliverdin
reply to post by OpinionatedB
Duh! Because that was the context
ETA...and actually, you clearly missed definition 4...
And how about the etymology, just for good measure...
1250–1300; Middle English < Anglo-French bastard, Medieval Latin bastardus (from 11th century), perhaps < Germanic (Ingvaeonic) *bāst-, presumed variant of *bōst- marriage + Old French -ard -ard, taken as signifying the offspring of a polygynous marriage to a woman of lower status, a pagan tradition not sanctioned by the church; compare Old Frisian bost marriage < Germanic *bandstu-, a noun derivative of Indo-European *bhendh- bind; the traditional explanation of Old French bastard as derivative of fils de bast “child of a packsaddle” is doubtful on chronological and geographical grounds
edit on 29-7-2012 by Biliverdin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AntigravityField
. . . . the main thing that saddened me by your post was your move to atheism after an obvious stint in some kind of a Christian organized group. This seems to be a common occurrence for gays that are brought up in certain organized religions.
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
If I'm going to hate someone, it'll be someone who hurts others, who brings misery, anger, frustration, violence and discord into the world, not someone who wants to share their lives together and help those around them. Homosexuals are born homosexuals, it takes a choice to become a hate filled bigot.
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by PurpleChiten
reply to post by nenothtu
I want everyone to know I am well, and I will be very well, just not here for a while. I will come online a little here and there as I am able, but for a while it wont be much at all.
I thank everyone for their kindness toward me, and for wonderful friendships and discussions.
I do not have the time right at the moment to post in the appropriate place, But I am asking for Neno to finish my debate with Druid. I will be unable....Forgive me for that.
Thanks Neno, and I love you
Keep me in your prayers everyone please, and I will be keeping you all in mine. God willing.
Peaceedit on 1-8-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)