Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by beezzer
There is not a stand-alone stance (that I am aware of) that liberals hold.
Equal rights, Science, Environment, Religion (aka, keep it out of government), Big projects (Nasa, etc. Things a nation has to build, not a company),
Problem is, there are almost no liberals in power at the moment..just the choice of one neocon, or one centerist...none to the left. When Ronald
Reagan is an example of a leftist now, that means both sides have moved to the right so far that a proper leftist simply has none that represent
Could you expand?
Is that the same as individualism that the Tea Party espouses?
I smoke what I want, I watch what I want, I read what I want, I play what I want, I don't want nanny to be deciding what is good for me.
I also know I cannot do things alone. If ACME Toxic Chem company down the road is dumping trash into the canal I fish from, me personally walking up
and telling them to stop will get only laughs...this is where gub-ment is required...to protect me, some tiny puny mortal, from the savage machine of
industry..my liberty stops where someone elses starts.
If it effects only me, then thats my turf...if I am doing things to effect others, then that is when mediators need to come in to determine equality
and fairness. If I am say, smoking cigarettes in my home, thats my decision..if I am creating a toxic cloud of smoke from my property that is choking
off my neighbors..thats when I have crossed the line. Its a pretty simple code really.
Also, I harken from an ideology that some (Misoir) would call "classical liberal". Do you see a difference between the classical liberal
(conservative) and modern liberal?
I have no issue with some conservatism of old. Fiscal sound policys based on numbers, economic facts, and a clear understanding of a long term
position is great. Todays conservatism is not about that..it shares almost no common ground with the founding principles of conservatism.
Liberalism to me is as the word says..liberty. But, liberty for all means also regulating, else it quickly becomes liberty for some while the rest
deal with crushing power looming over them. Government =can= be a force of equality and fairness to ensure maximum liberty...does it? very open for
debate. I am more concerned about corruption and inefficiency in the fed than I am worried about size. big and stupid, small and stupid..both are
stupid. what is required is smart, then debate about the size once its streamlined.
Todays liberal I don't agree with totally. I have no position on gun laws for example outside of a ban on heavy machinery (assult weapons, ak's,
extended clips, etc). I also am indifferent about gay marriage. My position is that marriage itself should not be part of governmental legislation to
begin with and should not be recognized, etc.
I don't know what Misoir believes today. He seems to change often. He is young, your allowed to change often when your young. Eventually you settle
on a set of principles and then see what general political ideologys are closest to you. I tend to go more with core liberal views on many issues, and
in todays conservative camp, if you have one liberal view, your a liberal...fair enough..I have many..so I am super lib and comfortable with it.
I have also explored the world. My view goes outside what is going on on my street alone. I see the connected world and try to view decisions based on
a worldview approach moreso than what gives my neighborhood the best benefits without concern of the next town over
Any party that has a xenophobic view of the world is not a viable party for a evolving society or species.
Freedom fries anyone?