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posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 02:05 PM
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Who was Jesus Christ, Krishna?

According to religious lore, Jesus, Krishna were incarnates of God, and also called the son of god. They were in fact ascended souls and closer to the divinity of of the creator. These are beings of knowledge, truth, love and peace. These ascended souls incarnate at the end of the ages, when the global consciousness becomes so negative, that evil is prevalent everywhere, in varying forms and manifestations. There is endless war, hate, worry and ego, and darker forces invade our plane and try to enslave us. This is when the creator sends these divine masters. This is when children of light incarnate.

When will Jesus/Krishna incarnate again?

We ARE at the end of a great cycle, there will be a great cataycylm, the fabled apocalpylse, armageddon, rapture. There will be incessant wars, floods will consume lands, the earths will tremble, fires will set the skies alight, people will howl in pain and shake with terror. The light of day will be blocked by clouds of darkness, all life will perish. The time that is coming will be the greatest horror that has befallen humanity. Streets will be bathed in blood, screams and mourning will fill the atmosphere. People will become hopeless, desperate and insane. Billions will die grusome and painful deaths. This is inevitable. It will happen. It IS happening.

After the clouds of darkness withdraw. The world will be left in a state of mass-psychosis and disarray. It is then, when it will need Krishna/Jesus to come again to deliver the world from evil. It will need the children of light to lead the people into light. This is where we "indigo children" and starseeds" come in.

How is Krishna and Jesus Christ connected?

Krishna = Christna

They could be both the same soul, just different incarnations, or they could be the same people. They were born of virgin birth, they both fled from threats of assasination from a dicator, they both had foster-parents, they both performed miracles and lead a sinless life, they both spoke of the kingdom of god and taught the same teachings, they both said they were not of this Earth, they both were crucified, redeemed and ascended into the celestial abode. They both stated their return in the end times on a white horse.

Here is a more detailed list of similarities that goes far beyond coincedence: www.religioustolerance.org...

Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man

Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity

His adoptive human father was a carpenter.

Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.

Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star.

Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents stayed in Mathura.

Both Yeshua and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted.


Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."

Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on earth.

Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay his tax to the king." 3 Yeshua was born while his foster-father, Joseph, was in the city to be enumerated in a census so that "all the world could be taxed."

Krishna's "...foster-father Nanda had to journey to Mathura to pay his taxes" just as Jesus foster-father Joseph is recorded in the Gospel of Luke as having to go to Bethlehem to pay taxes.

This is overwhelming evidence that Christna is indeed Krishna. Were they the same people, or were they the same soul, but incarnated at different times. If that is so, why would their life stories be so similar?
If Krishna and Christ were indeed the same people, then this would be the greatest religious conspiracy ever. Could western christianity be an eastern import?

[edit on 9-10-2004 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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Funny this topic has got no attention. Nobody has any thoughts, feelings or comments on this?



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 02:59 PM
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Have you ever heard of Babaji? I was thinking that Jesus may be Babaji and so is Krishna and a lot of other religious "icons."



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
Have you ever heard of Babaji? I was thinking that Jesus may be Babaji and so is Krishna and a lot of other religious "icons."


No, I have not. Tell me about him.



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 07:26 PM
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it's not that no one has interest in your thread, but this topic has come up before. Some of us, me especially have always felt that the stories in the bible were adapted from older stories in various religions and the Krishna/Jesus correlations are an important aspect in that argument.



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 08:18 PM
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Perhaps this is where you got your information from but if not here is a good link on the very subject:

Past of lives of Jesus


Jesus Reincarnation Index
Jesus as a reincarnation of Adam: Sons of God
Jesus as a reincarnation of Melchizedek: High Priests
Jesus as a reincarnation of Joseph Suffering Servants
Jesus as a reincarnation of Joshua: Branches of God
Jesus as a reincarnation of Buddha: Anointed Ones
Jesus as a reincarnation of Horus: Son gods
Jesus as a reincarnation of Krishna: Divine Ones
Jesus as a reincarnation of Mithra: Messiahs


There is also a claim that Abraham Lincoln reincarnated as John Kennedy on the site which is an interesting read. You can read about that here:
Abraham Lincoln & John Kennedy



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 09:50 PM
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Did Krishna die for the sins of the world. No. This is only attributed to Jesus. He was the ultimate sacrifice. So when we accept the blood of Jesus our sins are covered and we are able to come boldly to the throne of grace.

And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 1John 3:5

Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1Peter 2:24,25



posted on Oct, 11 2004 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by rosebeforetime
Did Krishna die for the sins of the world. No. This is only attributed to Jesus. He was the ultimate sacrifice. So when we accept the blood of Jesus our sins are covered and we are able to come boldly to the throne of grace.

And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 1John 3:5

Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1Peter 2:24,25



Krishna was also crucified so it seems. However, there are differences in the life of Jesus and Krishna, while Jesus is said to have been persecuted by the jewish. Krishna was very respected by his people and was murdered by one man, who shot him several times with arrows and nailed him to a tree, where he hung, and then later disappeared.
Yet this could also be religious propoganda by the church to blame the jewish for the death of Christ/Krishna?

There are so many similarities between their lives, it is difficult to imagine, that it's chance. Even if they were the incarnations of the same soul, that does not explain why their lives would be so similar.

Read more here: www.truthbeknown.com...


The common, orthodox depiction of Krishna's death relates that he was shot in the foot with an arrow while under a tree. Yet, as is true with so much else in mythology, and as we have already abundantly seen, there are variances in Krishna's tale, including the account of his death. In The Bible in India, citing as his sources the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical traditions," Jacolliot recounts the death of "Christna" as presciently understood by the godman, who, without his disciples, went to the Ganges to "work out stains." After thrice plunging into the sacred river, Krishna kneels and prays as he awaits death, which is ultimately caused by multiple arrows shot by a criminal who had been exposed by Krishna. The executioner, named Angada, was thereafter condemned to wander the banks of the Ganges for eternity, subsisting off the dead. Jacolliot goes on to describe Krishna's death thus:

The body of the God-man was suspended to the branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the vultures.

News of the death having spread, the people came in a crowd conducted by Ardjouna, the dearest disciple of Christna, to recover his sacred remains. But the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no doubt it had regained the celestial abodes�and the tree to which it had been attached had become suddenly covered with great red flowers and diffused around it the sweetest perfumes.

Jacolliot's description includes a number of arrows, instead of just one, which, along with the suspension in the tree branches, would closely resemble the pinning of the god to a tree using multiple "nails." Krishna's subsequent disappearance, naturally, has been considered an ascension. Moreover, this legend is evidently but a variant of the orthodox tale, constituting an apparently esoteric tradition recognizing Krishna's death as a "crucifixion." Indeed, as Remsburg says:

There is a tradition, though not to be found in the Hindoo scriptures, that Krishna, like Christ, was crucified.

In Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, Doane elaborates upon the varying legends concerning Krishna's death:

The accounts of the deaths of most of all virgin-born Saviours of whom we shall speak, are conflicting. It is stated in one place that such an one died in such a manner, and in another place we may find it stated altogether differently. Even the accounts of the death of Jesus�are conflicting�

The Vishnu Purana speaks of Crishna being shot in the foot with an arrow, and states that this was the cause of his death. Other accounts, however, state the he was suspended on a tree, or in other words, crucified.

Doane then cites M. Guigniaut's Religion de l'Antiquit�, which states:

"The death of Crishna is very differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow."

Doane further relates that the pious Christian Rev. Lundy refers to Guigniaut's statement, translating the original French "un bois fatal," as "a cross." Doane then comments:

Although we do not think he is justified in doing this, as M. Guigniaut has distinctly stated that this "bois fatal" (which is applied to a gibbet, a cross, a scaffold, etc.) was "un arbre" (a tree), yet, he is justified in doing so on other accounts, for we find that Crishna is represented hanging on a cross, and we know that a cross was frequently called the "so cursed tree." It was an ancient custom to use trees as gibbets for crucifixion, or, if artificial, to call the cross a tree.

As stated, the discrepancy in depiction may be attributable to interpretation of the orthodox story: To wit, the legend has been declared to mean that Krishna was pinned to a tree, essentially representing a crucifix. However, it is not just tradition but artifacts that have led to the conclusion that Krishna was crucified. Indeed, there are found in India images of crucified gods, one of whom apparently is Krishna, important information not to be encountered in mainstream resources such as today's encyclopedias.

Moreover, it appears that Krishna is not the first Indian god depicted as crucified. Prior to him was another incarnation of Vishnu, the avatar named Wittoba or Vithoba, who has often been identified with Krishna. As Doane further relates:

It is evident�that to be hung on a cross was anciently called hanging on a tree, and to be hung on a tree was called crucifixion. We may therefore conclude from this, and from what we shall now see, that Crishna was said to have been crucified.

In the earlier copies of Moor's Hindu Pantheon, is to be seen representations of Crishna (as Wittoba), with marks of holes in both feet, and in others, of holes in the hands. In Figures 4 and 5 of Plate 11 (Moor's work), the figures have nail-holes in both feet. Plate 6 has a round hole in the side; to his collar or shirt hangs the emblem of a heart (which we often see in pictures of Christ Jesus)�

Rev. J. P. Lundy, speaking of the Christian crucifix, says:

"I object to the crucifix because it is an image, and liable to gross abuse, just as the old Hindoo crucifix was an idol."

And Dr. Inman says:

"Crishna, whose history so closely resembles our Lord's, was also like him in his being crucified."

Thus we discover from some of the more erudite Christian writers, admitting against interest, that images of a god crucified--with nail holes in hands and feet, a side wound, and a sacred heart--had been discovered in India, in particular by the pious Christian Moor, and that this god was considered to be Krishna, as Wittoba. As we have seen, Moor's book was mutilated, with the plates and an entire chapter removed. Unfortunately, Dr. Inman's Ancient Faiths, from which Doane took his quote, was another of those books apparently targeted for mutilation: The copy we used had the pertinent pages on the virgin birth and the crucifixion torn out of them. Furthermore, J.P. Lundy's Monumental Christianity was evidently stolen from the library we used; hence, another copy of this most enlightening book had to be obtained, from a library 1,000 miles away. Another of these missing books was Dean Henry Milman's History of Christianity, which contains similar information. Fortunately, Higgins preserved for posterity some of Moor's statements and plates, recountng and commenting upon the missionary's remarkable discovery:

Mr. Moor describes an Avatar called Wittoba, who has his foot pierced�.

This incarnation of Vishnu or CRISTNA is called Wittoba or Ballaji. He has a splendid temple erected to him at Punderpoor. Little respecting this incarnation is known. A story of him is detailed by Mr. Moor, which he observes reminds him of the doctrine of turning the unsmote cheek to an assailant. This God is represented by Moor with a hole on the top of one foot just above the toes, where the nail of a person crucified might be supposed to be placed. And, in another print, he is represented exactly in the form of a Romish crucifix, but not fixed to a piece of wood, though the legs and feet are put together in the usual way, with a nail-hole in the latter. There appears to be a glory over it coming from above. Generally the glory shines from the figure. It has a pointed Parthian coronet instead of a crown of thorns.�



posted on Oct, 11 2004 @ 07:05 AM
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all that is complete truth but it s not complete cause while SHRI KRSHNA was in this world before about 5000 years he called himself GOD(or how ever you like to call it all the names are his) the only and orginal one. He was having here 16000 womans,he killed himself the king dictator who tryed to kill him at his birth , and he ordered the war in which was cilled at least 1 000 000 people who was against the wheel of the LORD- KRSHNA in this case that make us think that exactly KRSHNA AND JESUS are INCARNATIONS of the same thing coming with different missions depending of the time they come and what s needed then to die yourself like JESUS or to do all that KRSHNA did.UNFORTUNATELY the human s (stupidity) allways used all the orders for making the ilusion of MATRIX stronger.cause differEnce between life and death i t s pure ilision and may be death is a much better state than a life and life and life passed in sleep and stupid hard head stupidity .so glory eternal to the truth ,thats only one glory eternal to the beeings that we are IF WE WANNA KNOW the truth and we give everything for that . And to all the people who will see that message and will critisies it cause only suposybly they dont understand -# OFF AND GOOD SLEEP -small gift

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posted on Oct, 11 2004 @ 10:36 AM
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Ive always wondered, has anyone any way of telling who the christ,s/gurus will be when they incarnate?



posted on Oct, 11 2004 @ 10:52 AM
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We had a similar discussion on wether christ died, see Did Jesus die on the Cross? I saw a documentary that said he was Jus Alef a hindu preacher. check it out.



posted on Oct, 11 2004 @ 11:05 AM
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The words within this whole topic are: According to religious lore....
Is there real 'historical' proof for Christ? Yes.
Is there real 'historical' proof for Krishna? Still under debate.
Then we have a topic that wants to make comparisons and thus equate Christ and Krishna when such can be said for Horus, Osiris etc.....

This is from a black apologetics site and has comparisons:
Krishna Not Equal To Christ



seekerof



posted on Oct, 13 2004 @ 09:51 AM
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When Christianity started the early followers had no contact with Hindus or Krishnas. They had contact when the beliefs of Christ and the Church were firmly entrenched. It is funny to see all these religions or movements that are similar to Christianity. It is amazing how God allows similar things say the Krishna or Mythras myth for example, that way the missionaires would have an easier time converting them to Christianity when they heard about the Truth, Jesus, the Son of God, who died for the salvation of the world. Amazing.



posted on Oct, 13 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by rosebeforetime
Did Krishna die for the sins of the world. No.

Jesus dies and releases the dead from the underworld no? Thats how he dies for the sins of the world no? There is a panopoly of gods that have died for mankind and for their immortal souls.


Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1Peter 2:24,25

Interesting that they should use the term tree here, since in several of the dead and dying god motiffs its a tree that they are huing, suspended from or in.

seekerof
Is there real 'historical' proof for Christ? Yes

Where? I am only aware of the gospels and perhaps a mention in Josephus.



posted on Oct, 13 2004 @ 08:31 PM
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People seemed to have overlooked the very simple and clear medium between the Vedic teachings of KRISHNA and the Christian teachings of Jesus Christ: The Cult of Mythriasm; It originiated in the Vedic doctrines of India, migrated, by the way of Babylon, to Persia and then west to the Hellenized East and throughout this long journey, it incoporated may of the features of the cultures if was cultivated in. By the 3-4 century it was the state Religion of the Roman Empire; Mythras was the offical God of the State.

The Hellenstic-Roman age was one of a myriad of cults, religions, and mysteries; Indian slaves, mercenaries, and merchants brought with them thier practices. The constant contact between Non-Greek and Greek mythology, religions, and other religious practices produced a syncretism, a mixture of Greek and Eastern elements, esp in the sphere of Religious practice. These practices were commonly Hellenized and translated into Greek.

Of course Krishna could serve as the elementy figure of Christ, i mean, most of Christ's teachings originate in Egypt, which later, subsequently, went on to influence Indian philosophies; many tombs on Egpyt contain the words KRST on them...

Just a thought.

Deep



posted on Oct, 13 2004 @ 08:37 PM
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Jesus dies and releases the dead from the underworld no? Thats how he dies for the sins of the world no? There is a panopoly of gods that have died for mankind and for their immortal souls.


The Hellenstic period from 331.B.C.E to 30-31 B.C.E was a time of great moral and material insecurity, polluted with unsettling conditions, the peoples suffered from the vicissitudes of the thier curent, living, life; the people longed for a personal saviour, a protector who would encourage the best of them and release them from eartly burdens; the people suffering from poverty, personal failure, and the finitude of human capacity. Who would bear this burden ? Who would release them and offer them grace in the afterlife ? Who would accept them no matter thier social distinction ? Who was not restricted to the oligarchs and easy to facilitate in the minds of the average illerate and uneducated man ?

.........

Deep



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
The Cult of Mythriasm; It originiated in the Vedic doctrines of India

I thought the cult of mithra was an iranian development?
migrated, by the way of Babylon, to Persia and then west to the Hellenized East and throughout this long journey, it incoporated may of the features of the cultures if was cultivated in. By the 3-4 century it was the state Religion of the Roman Empire; Mythras was the offical God of the State.
I don't recall anything like that happening. Which emperor did this? It was very popular with the soldiers tho. One big difference however, between roman mithraism and the eastern sort is that the roman version didn't involve the cultic altars/temples which so strongly associate with it in the east.

I don't understand what you are getting at in your latest post in this thread. Are you emphasizing what I said?



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 04:41 PM
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My last post emphasized the mentality of your average man during those times, nothing more.

Mithra is an Indo-Iranian diety bother foun find in Sacred Indian and Persian writings, he is an agent for the supreme being, the Indian Varuna and the Persian Ahura Mazda, he is the mediator between the heavens and the eart, the devine light; in both his name apears as Mitra.

As the exanding Persian empire received great prominence in Asia Minor, and in praticular Cilicia, Mithra was Hellenized and named Mithras, his Greek form. Cilician pirates who allied themselves with Mithradates, king of Pontus, waged wars against the Romans in the revered Mithridatic wars, subsequently, Mithradates was defeated, and some of the Pirates were held captive and taken to Rome, where they would have introduced Mithras.

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