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Originally posted by Jamuhn
Have you ever heard of Babaji? I was thinking that Jesus may be Babaji and so is Krishna and a lot of other religious "icons."
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Originally posted by rosebeforetime
Did Krishna die for the sins of the world. No. This is only attributed to Jesus. He was the ultimate sacrifice. So when we accept the blood of Jesus our sins are covered and we are able to come boldly to the throne of grace.
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 1John 3:5
Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1Peter 2:24,25
The common, orthodox depiction of Krishna's death relates that he was shot in the foot with an arrow while under a tree. Yet, as is true with so much else in mythology, and as we have already abundantly seen, there are variances in Krishna's tale, including the account of his death. In The Bible in India, citing as his sources the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical traditions," Jacolliot recounts the death of "Christna" as presciently understood by the godman, who, without his disciples, went to the Ganges to "work out stains." After thrice plunging into the sacred river, Krishna kneels and prays as he awaits death, which is ultimately caused by multiple arrows shot by a criminal who had been exposed by Krishna. The executioner, named Angada, was thereafter condemned to wander the banks of the Ganges for eternity, subsisting off the dead. Jacolliot goes on to describe Krishna's death thus:
The body of the God-man was suspended to the branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the vultures.
News of the death having spread, the people came in a crowd conducted by Ardjouna, the dearest disciple of Christna, to recover his sacred remains. But the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no doubt it had regained the celestial abodes�and the tree to which it had been attached had become suddenly covered with great red flowers and diffused around it the sweetest perfumes.
Jacolliot's description includes a number of arrows, instead of just one, which, along with the suspension in the tree branches, would closely resemble the pinning of the god to a tree using multiple "nails." Krishna's subsequent disappearance, naturally, has been considered an ascension. Moreover, this legend is evidently but a variant of the orthodox tale, constituting an apparently esoteric tradition recognizing Krishna's death as a "crucifixion." Indeed, as Remsburg says:
There is a tradition, though not to be found in the Hindoo scriptures, that Krishna, like Christ, was crucified.
In Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, Doane elaborates upon the varying legends concerning Krishna's death:
The accounts of the deaths of most of all virgin-born Saviours of whom we shall speak, are conflicting. It is stated in one place that such an one died in such a manner, and in another place we may find it stated altogether differently. Even the accounts of the death of Jesus�are conflicting�
The Vishnu Purana speaks of Crishna being shot in the foot with an arrow, and states that this was the cause of his death. Other accounts, however, state the he was suspended on a tree, or in other words, crucified.
Doane then cites M. Guigniaut's Religion de l'Antiquit�, which states:
"The death of Crishna is very differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow."
Doane further relates that the pious Christian Rev. Lundy refers to Guigniaut's statement, translating the original French "un bois fatal," as "a cross." Doane then comments:
Although we do not think he is justified in doing this, as M. Guigniaut has distinctly stated that this "bois fatal" (which is applied to a gibbet, a cross, a scaffold, etc.) was "un arbre" (a tree), yet, he is justified in doing so on other accounts, for we find that Crishna is represented hanging on a cross, and we know that a cross was frequently called the "so cursed tree." It was an ancient custom to use trees as gibbets for crucifixion, or, if artificial, to call the cross a tree.
As stated, the discrepancy in depiction may be attributable to interpretation of the orthodox story: To wit, the legend has been declared to mean that Krishna was pinned to a tree, essentially representing a crucifix. However, it is not just tradition but artifacts that have led to the conclusion that Krishna was crucified. Indeed, there are found in India images of crucified gods, one of whom apparently is Krishna, important information not to be encountered in mainstream resources such as today's encyclopedias.
Moreover, it appears that Krishna is not the first Indian god depicted as crucified. Prior to him was another incarnation of Vishnu, the avatar named Wittoba or Vithoba, who has often been identified with Krishna. As Doane further relates:
It is evident�that to be hung on a cross was anciently called hanging on a tree, and to be hung on a tree was called crucifixion. We may therefore conclude from this, and from what we shall now see, that Crishna was said to have been crucified.
In the earlier copies of Moor's Hindu Pantheon, is to be seen representations of Crishna (as Wittoba), with marks of holes in both feet, and in others, of holes in the hands. In Figures 4 and 5 of Plate 11 (Moor's work), the figures have nail-holes in both feet. Plate 6 has a round hole in the side; to his collar or shirt hangs the emblem of a heart (which we often see in pictures of Christ Jesus)�
Rev. J. P. Lundy, speaking of the Christian crucifix, says:
"I object to the crucifix because it is an image, and liable to gross abuse, just as the old Hindoo crucifix was an idol."
And Dr. Inman says:
"Crishna, whose history so closely resembles our Lord's, was also like him in his being crucified."
Thus we discover from some of the more erudite Christian writers, admitting against interest, that images of a god crucified--with nail holes in hands and feet, a side wound, and a sacred heart--had been discovered in India, in particular by the pious Christian Moor, and that this god was considered to be Krishna, as Wittoba. As we have seen, Moor's book was mutilated, with the plates and an entire chapter removed. Unfortunately, Dr. Inman's Ancient Faiths, from which Doane took his quote, was another of those books apparently targeted for mutilation: The copy we used had the pertinent pages on the virgin birth and the crucifixion torn out of them. Furthermore, J.P. Lundy's Monumental Christianity was evidently stolen from the library we used; hence, another copy of this most enlightening book had to be obtained, from a library 1,000 miles away. Another of these missing books was Dean Henry Milman's History of Christianity, which contains similar information. Fortunately, Higgins preserved for posterity some of Moor's statements and plates, recountng and commenting upon the missionary's remarkable discovery:
Mr. Moor describes an Avatar called Wittoba, who has his foot pierced�.
This incarnation of Vishnu or CRISTNA is called Wittoba or Ballaji. He has a splendid temple erected to him at Punderpoor. Little respecting this incarnation is known. A story of him is detailed by Mr. Moor, which he observes reminds him of the doctrine of turning the unsmote cheek to an assailant. This God is represented by Moor with a hole on the top of one foot just above the toes, where the nail of a person crucified might be supposed to be placed. And, in another print, he is represented exactly in the form of a Romish crucifix, but not fixed to a piece of wood, though the legs and feet are put together in the usual way, with a nail-hole in the latter. There appears to be a glory over it coming from above. Generally the glory shines from the figure. It has a pointed Parthian coronet instead of a crown of thorns.�
Originally posted by rosebeforetime
Did Krishna die for the sins of the world. No.
Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness-by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. 1Peter 2:24,25
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Is there real 'historical' proof for Christ? Yes
Jesus dies and releases the dead from the underworld no? Thats how he dies for the sins of the world no? There is a panopoly of gods that have died for mankind and for their immortal souls.
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
The Cult of Mythriasm; It originiated in the Vedic doctrines of India