Originally posted by learnatic
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I don't care one iota about religion but I'll put this to them. If religious people believe that we exist now and that we will go to another place
when we die then does it not follow reason, logic and common sense, that we must have been somewhere before we came here??
Yes. The Bible tells the entire story. It hints at the truth to allow us to figure it out. The fallen beings mentioned in Genesis 6 are also
mentioned in Jude 1 as those who left their first dwelling in heaven to enter the daughters of men. The book of Enoch then describes the entire
picture of the principalities and powers that are at work to raise mankind to the status we are designed for. The universe is a womb for life to
develop before transitioning between material and spiritual kingdoms. Training and refinement of sentient consciousness is a prerequisite. We come
to find out that the universe is filled with families, rulers and principalities. The Bible reveals this. The goal of humanity is to end the error
that occurred in the universe when parts of God's creation rebelled. Humanity is caught in the middle of this transition, but not without a
long-range purpose from God.
Mankind is the crowning creation of God. We were created to rule the universe. When the angels (Servants) of God realized that man would be over the
angels and free, they were jealous. This caused the rebellion. Once man was seeded on Earth, the leader of the rebellion was placed here in the
garden. Mankind was temped by this being. God knew this would happen, but gave mankind the chance to make the choice.
The conjecture part comes in when we try to envision what the purpose of this was for. We can answer this with some confidence when we read this
1 Colossians 1:
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is
before all things, and in him all things hold together.
The universe is created to encompass time, space, matter and energy. Reality is an image. What is an image? The image is the rendering of the
original into a reflected form. When God says this:
1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
He is saying that we are artificial. Not only are we artificially made, but Christ is the first image that was used as the archetype of the final
product. Christ has the Holy Consciousness of God. Christ is the first image of God, therefore He IS God. The Trinity is Father (LIGHT), Son
(WORD/WAVE) and Holy Spirit (Consciousness). In other words, Jesus is God on this side of the image. Christ is the image of God here. We are
copies. What is the difference with us? Simple. We cannot be God. We must be separate to be different. To be separate, we must learn like
children to find the Holy Spirit for ourselves. How is this accomplished?
There are four baptisms to overcome to find the final baptism of spirit.
Confucius said, "I hear and I forget. I see and I learn. I do and I understand."
Earth - We are planted into the Garden. We are not rooted in the soil like plants or in a fixed domain like fish. Instead, we can occupy all
domains. This autonomy requires that we overcome these domains by hardships. The wilderness we occupy was provided to allow our growth by
Air - We are given the Word of God as a guide to the wilderness. This word is also the language we learn and master. Meaning ultimately comes when
we decipher the inner symbols of nature and overcome our ignorance and pride of the outer world. Meaning springs from the root, just like a plant.
Water - We are baptized into the Water (Immersion into Reality). The water cleanses the temple (body). The temple is where the sacrifice is made.
This temple houses the spirit of God, along with our soul. We are to overcome as we are born again. "You must be born again." Plants die and the
seed perpetuates to the next generation. Producing fruit ensures seed for the next crop.
19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.
Fire - We are finally baptized by Trials. The Flaming Sword of God cuts away pride and protects the tree of life. The tree of life is DNA. We
light the fire we burn by. We can also put out the fire with the water.
Spirit - After overcoming the first four baptisms, we are then baptized by the Spirit of God. Jesus is necessary for us to be marked by the spirit
for salvation from the Fire. The water and blood of Christ brings salvation from the corruption of the elements.
One last thing. If we are inside an image, then we are not the real us here in this reality. Why? If you look in a mirror, you know that you are
real and the image in the mirror is only the reflection of you. Right now, you are INSIDE the image of God and you ARE the image of God. His spirit
resides in you, but the image you occupy is not you here. You are on the other side with God. He can see both sides. You can only see this side.
1 Corinthians 13
12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
I can help you see, but faith is the only way to know for sure. God will show you if you only believe and seek. knock and the door is opened to you.
Christ is the Good Shepherd, the Holy Image of God here on Earth.
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