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10 key points of evidence that point to a conspiracy in the Batman/Colorado shooting

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posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by Epirus

Actually he just told them he had a surprise waiting for them and didn't say what, where or when.

Wait, so they changed the story yet again?

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 03:26 PM

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CthulhuMythos

Why is it that everyone thinks Holmes had schizophrenia just because it is alleged he was seeing a psychiatrist?

Did any of you see the doctor's credentials? I believe he worked with the military.

Now this is all circumstancial and it's 50/50 if this report is in fact true.

Now say there is SOME truth to the story; if any of you had some education, you'll know people go to psychologists and psychiatrists for a whole range of 1000s of different reasons.

Honestly, the way some of you talk it's as if we should tag a person immediately with schizophrenia the moment they mention they are seeing a shrink.

Now while you are diagnosing this young man from your armchairs, shall we also diagnosis the soldiers with schizophrenia who go out on the field and intentionally rape and murder the "enemy" too? Or perhaps, you have another diagnosis for that? PTSD? Yeah, PTSD is more logical to you all, right? Cold blooded murder or someone who is a victim of hypnosis or some kind of mind control is beyond the simple minded masses.

Ok, rather than going off on one at me, please do realise that this was added more as additional information as we are all trying to find as many pieces of the puzzle as possible at this stage and see what possibilities those pieces could imply or conclusions they could come to, which seems more than most of the authorities/news channels seem to be doing.

He was seeing a psychiatrist who in fact is female, not male as you stated, called Dr. Lynne L Fenton and who was "chief of physical medicine with the U.S. Air Force in San Antonio, Texas, in the early 1990s" Source So not doing psychiatry in the military by the looks of things.

Yes he could have been seeing the therapist because he felt under pressure, felt down, felt paranoid, couldn't get over breaking up with his girlfriend, but one does have to take into account a possible schizophrenia connection especially since his psychiatrist's specialty is in schizophrenia.
Was he taking Vicodin as everyone is suggesting? I don't know, but Vicodin seems to be a drug she has been in hot water over after prescribing for herself, her family and an employee in the past. source but from what I have read so far Vicodin is a pain killer not a drug used to treat schizophrenia drugs used in schizophrenia treatments
If he was taking it, could it have created a bad reaction with any other meds he might have been on which would make him look like he was schizophrenic? All we can deduce is that he observedley he seemed to display possible schizophrenic characteristics. wiki source and so it is a possibility that must not be discounted.

I'm not uneducated as you seem to be implying, and I do see that everything apart from being in the car with riot gear on when the cops arrive is circumstantial at the moment, as due to gas mask wearing no one can say for sure that he was the one that pulled the trigger.

Honestly, the way some of you talk it's as if we should tag a person immediately with schizophrenia the moment they mention they are seeing a shrink.

Bit of a sweeping generalisation here don't you think? I have not tagged him or anyone who sees a shrink for that matter, with anything, I have been reading reports and bringing what I have found, which is not implausible, to the table for consideration. Seems you are the one being rather 'quick to tag' people from reading a post on a single forum.

Now while you are diagnosing this young man from your armchairs, shall we also diagnosis the soldiers with schizophrenia who go out on the field and intentionally rape and murder the "enemy" too? Or perhaps, you have another diagnosis for that? PTSD? Yeah, PTSD is more logical to you all, right? Cold blooded murder or someone who is a victim of hypnosis or some kind of mind control is beyond the simple minded masses.

Hmm, looks like you are the one doing the diagnosing, of posters on this forum. This last quote has nothing to do with the James Holmes case which is being discussed and is purely conjecture on your part.
For the record, though, since you brought the topic up, I do think that soldiers who go and murder/rape/torture/hunt humans for sport/club to death an animal with a metal bar for fun etc could have some sort of disorder, but, could equally be on drugs, be brainwashed, be needing to be on drugs but are not or could just be twisted nasty b'tards who get off on it.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Taggart
reply to post by Zinky

I remember the news sources showing some police discarding of 'Chemicals and accelerants' as they put it.
Could well have been something on the lines you were saying.

On page 11 here, poster "mikemck1976" has a link to CNN where they talk about the rigged apartment.

It seems like "too much" and "too complex" to me. It also looks like what a 'bomb squad' type of person would make. Also - why were these 'bombs' right in the middle of the room, out in plain sight? That's rather odd, too.

A smart person would've done it a simpler way. And not have made things so obvious. Also - if he went through all that trouble - using stuff that supposedly came from 'home security systems' - this type of wiring is commonly placed along window frames.

So why did he not rig the windows, too? If you were studying this type of stuff - you'd see these type of systems are often placed on or near windows - wouldn't that have given him the idea to do his on the windows, too?

These 'bombs' in the apartment - strike me as how a police bomb squad technician would make one. And then the bulk of it is right in the middle of the living room - where anyone can find it.

It just strikes me as 'off'.

And why not make use of the toilet? Shut the water off, rig that up - that's a fine shrapnel bomb right there.

A smart person would've thought of all this, make use of what's there, be creative - and do it the easiest way.

I do find this 'apartment rigging' odd though. It just strikes me as somehow off. Like a simple textbook 'bomb' from a police training manual. And in the middle of the living room, too.

Something seems off about this.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 04:09 PM
To add to my previous thoughts -

Someone who had the idea to put a music tape on a continuous loop - that alone shows that they would be smart enough to make a 'smarter' bomb (s).

Black powder does not always burn right, either.

Granted, he could be one of these types that has a 'narrow band' of intelligence, and doesn't know much else.

But - he was clever enough to throw smoke bombs / tear gas in the theater, protect himself, put music on a continual loop in his apartment to lure the aggravated in, and then makes a crude 'bomb' in his apartment? That probably won't work right and incorporates excess use of wiring?

It's the details of all this that don't add up.

Including the other stuff too - the exits from the theater, the blood stains, the details here, many of them - do not add up.

Here's another thought that came to me - immediately after this happened - the media was crowing "Don't talk about it. Don't give him the attention he seeks."

In other words - SHUT UP. Don't think about it, and don't talk about it. Also, all the 'sealed' evidence here, and that they won't release a motive.

In many cases like these - people DO wish to talk about it - to try to understand. Why the directive of SILENCE! here?

You take something like Columbine - people did want answers to try to prevent future happenings. Why not with this?

Someone seems to want to whitewash this - that's another odd thing.

And so what if people talk about it? "Don't give him attention"? He is locked up in solitary and likely not able to see much TV, if any at all. So even if people do talk about it - he wouldn't know.

So this means they want you to shut up about it - not for him - but for 'them'.

Whenever anyone tells me "don't ask questions" - that ALONE is enough to make me suspicious.

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 04:14 PM
Sometimes I wonder if illuminati cards are made as things happen. I'm not saying that happened with the 9/11 cards, but this one is crazy. It makes me want to buy the game. Anyways, very interesting card here. Good posts ATS, this is my first post on here and I love all the dialogue going on!

my source

posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 08:21 PM
sry I didn't have time to read this whole thread atm, but am i the only one who thinks his apartment being booby trapped can be explained by possibly:
A.) The "plan" he was talked in to executing included being able to successfully make it home without being caught.
B.) The phone call he got, or person he talked to told him how his "employer" planned to have him die anyway as soon as he entered his home which was wired to blow upon arrival.
C.) After being caught, which could have not been part of his plan, he informed police that his apartment was booby trapped so no one else would be killed.

This guy is obviously not completely innocent, but it makes more sense that his "employer" (no way do i believe he acted alone, or just "snapped") would pull something like this? It's possible he was even told that nobody was supposed to be killed, just scared, and he believed it. I think the point the OP made about someone being dragged off into a car is the most interesting thing I've heard about this whole story. It was probably a planned kidnapping of someone who was wanted by someone powerful. This dude was simply the fall guy.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 01:43 AM
Something is not right indeed. And new information seems to leak everyday. We should have a clearer picture of it all soon.

Or maybe not...

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 04:07 AM

Originally posted by bluemirage5
We don't know if this has to do with the LIBOR connection, for all we know Robert Holmes was involved with alot more than meets the eye.

May I also say none of us are in the shoes of this father and none of us can even fathom what he is going through yet it's possible this is all to target Robert Holmes. We don't know.

For all we know this might be a human sacrifice for the Olympic Games so whats the bet nothing will happen in London!

None of us are going to get answers, it's going to be a open and shut case just like the masses of stupid people want. Perhaps the joke is on us?

Just to let you kiddies know, San Diego means Saint James, and James the Disciple of Jesus was beheaded so I have no elusions James Holmes is going to meet his fateful end. And I'm not even Christian.

Now who is this Jessica Redfield and Jessica Ghawi? Are they the same girl? I was on Jessica Redfield's twitter last night and there is a definate mention of her seeing a man dressed up as Batman outside the Eaton centre in Toronto on June 2nd. I understand she was found in the Colorado theatre with 2 bullet wounds to her head. That sounds to me she was a specific target. Another strange thing I found is the Eaton shopping centre runs parallel to a street named James Street.

I'm surprised no one has picked up on this yet because they're so busy diagnosing Holmes and dissecting his father's possible connection.

I have been thinking about this Jessica too.

Maybe she was actually the target? Maybe she was involved in something she shouldn't have been involved in, or maybe she knew something (she was a journalist after all). So 'they' tried to kill her on June 2nd, but she escaped just in time (maybe she really just had a bad feeling, maybe she had an idea that someone was trying to get her). Then they returned on July 20th and finished the job. Some witnesses were talking about a second shooter, and a gas canister that was thrown from the opposite side of where the shooter was standing.

Like you said, Jessica was killed with two headshots. Could it be that this alleged second shooter was sitting very close to Jessica, like right behind or in front of or next to her, and when the shooter we know of (Holmes or whoever it was) came in and started shooting, the second shooter killed Jessica, ran to the front of the theater, threw the other gas canister and either shot as well or left right away. He then ran to a getaway car a few parking spots away from Holmes' car (remember the blood trail from the emergency exit?), entered the car and drove away, throwing his gas mask out of the car window on his way out.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 05:05 AM
reply to post by Wewillallbefree

1. Very good point, and others have wondered (even on the news) about where he got the money. Clearly, someone helped, or he has resources we don't know about.

2. In the Arizona shooting, initial reports also listed TWO people, then later reports claimed only one. Witnesses even described the second man, but no one in authority ever looked for this person, and we were told there was "some error" or some such nonsense. Interesting that this case also has reports of multiple shooters.

3. Interesting about the extra gas mask, guns, and so forth. hadn't heard about that. Would love a link to the photos!

4. Trickier points.
*More than one man seen with a backpack could mean two shooters, or it could be some other movie-goer was wearing a backpack, and was mistaken for a suspect. Without seeing the actual witness statements, and maybe stills of people attending, it's hard to say there.
*Likewise, someone being dragged into a car could have been victims fleeing the scene. Certainly, I would have left, and talked to cops later, under such circumstances. After all, no way to know the gunman (or men) would not come outside after people.
*There are limited numbers of ambulances, and those should have been (and probably were) used for those more seriously injured. Minor injuries would not require the equipment and personnel, and could be transported in a POV or by other means.
*Clothing descriptions could be mistaken identity, in all the confusion, or could mean another suspect. No way to be sure. It would be nice if they reported that they had such descriptions, but found the person described, and they weren't a shooter. Not holding my breath on that one, though.
*Reports early on stated that the AR-15 jammed, and was dropped, so I would assume that is why they were found.

5. My best guess would be that a lot of people simply do not want to talk about this yet. Survivor's guilt could be one reason, and the simple fact that this was a very traumatic event could be another. I can tell you this: military members that have seen very traumatic events don't tend to talk about them, either, even to friends and relatives, much less online. As for the one witness, I would guess she saw him before diving face down, and also that the shell casings hit her before that. Or, they could have bounced off the floor and hit her. They will bounce a bit.

6. This guy is SMART. Yes, smart enough to do what he is said to have done. Yes, one person could do it. It's bizarre, but possible. I don't think he's crazy in any medical sense, either. I think he's faking.

7. Rumors are just that until we have some evidence.

8. Oh, yeah, we noticed! Even a real shooting brings that sort of reaction. Though I won't rule out the possibility that he had help, and/or was used as a pawn.

9. That is exactly what they are doing. Doesn't hold water, since most legal gun owners never do such things, but that won't stop them from trying. They would do this whether the shooting simply happened or was planned.

10. The initial reports I read stated that he rented the apartment only a few weeks prior (I figure to set up the booby traps), and I didn't hear about roommates. Do you have a link for stories on them? Interested in reading those.

In any case, nice job laying out all the points. The money alone is enough reason to suspect that he didn't act alone. Could mean some black ops sort of thing, or could mean he is simply the one that got caught.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 05:15 AM
reply to post by scottromansky

1. There was a paper trail; otherwise, they would not know he purchased the guns legally. Have to have been records.

2. After he was taken into custody, he told the police his place was rigged. Later, we were told he planned to have music go off, really loudly (timer), and call a lot of cops there. Then, while they were dealing with that would-be mess, he would do the shooting. One is to suppose that he told them since, clearly, the timer failed. Pretty early on, though, they were talking about his telling the police about all the explosives, etc.

3. Last I heard, we didn't know when the notebook was mailed. It would be interesting to hear about, though.

4. Some places don't have such cameras, and I don't know of any that do inside. i don't think the theater where I live has any at all. Depends on the location would be my guess. If they do have them, the footage could be held until a trial. I did hear one cop at the scene stating they were holding information close, so as not to jeopardize the investigation.

5. So far, we haven't been told why he left school. As interested as you to know why, how (if he had grants), etc.

6. Why should the government be able to monitor such things? That's a violation of or Constitutional freedoms. It's frankly none of their business WHAT we buy, unless and until we commit a crime. Any other policy can, and would, lead to what they had in the movie, Minority Report. I don't think any of us wants that! A LOT of people purchase a lot of guns and ammo, some in bulk, and that isn't a crime. Nor should it be seen as intent to commit one, as most such buyers never do.

7. Good call! Yes, they should be able to see where the call came in from. I am not tech savvy enough to know f they need the phone in question or not, though. Anyone here have ideas on that? That would be very interesting to know! If the person was involved, that would pretty much prove multiple people involved.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 06:05 AM
reply to post by javelinfangz

This Jessica woman business annoys the heck of out me. Did you see her Twitter on June 2nd? Another poster mentioned it so I went to have a look and sure enough she DID mention a man dressed up as Batman outside the Eaton Shopping Centre during the shooting there. I believe it was a "symbolic" assassination. I don't know where she was sitting to have received 2 clear bullet wounds to her head but my guess is that theatre was wired up with cameras to point the shooter in the right direction. Amazingly I also looked at the map of the Eaton Shopping Centre and there IS a street that runs parallel to the centre called James Street. About a week ago another poster asked if there was a train track near the Colorado theatre (which there is about 7km close by I think) and explained why on another thread. I did'nt tell him near the Eaton Shopping Centre IS a train station - Queen's Station. Is it also a coincidence the school next to the Colorado theatre just so happens to be Gateway High School whose emblems are the Olympic rings and torch? You can see for yourself through Google. Jessica REDfield also had RED hair. Another note, James Holmes originated from San Diego and San Diego means Saint James. There are a whole lot of other coincidences I've now found too but I won't go in to specifics at this time.

On another note; this may not have anything to do with the Colorado shooting but I'll post it anyhow:

Mysterious Radio “Blast” Before Colorado Massacre Puzzles Scientists:

A new report prepared by Russian Space Forces (VKO) scientists, who are charged with monitoring radio and other electrical type transmitted emissions from the United States under provisions outlined in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START), states that at the “exact time” of the 20 July 2012 Colorado massacre known as the 2012 Aurora Shooting a “mysterious blast” of 10.80 Hz was broadcast from a GWEN tower in Pueblo, Colorado 178 kilometers (111 miles) away from Aurora.

The GWEN tower network (Ground Wave Emergency Network) was a command and control communications system intended for use by the United States government to facilitate military communications before, during and after a nuclear war. Specifically, GWEN was constructed to survive the effects of a high-altitude nuclear explosion electromagnetic pulse to insure that the United States President or his survivors can give a launching order to strategic nuclear bombers.

GWEN transmitters were placed 200 miles apart across the US to allow specific frequencies to be tailored to the geomagnetic-field strength in each area, allowing the magnetic field to be altered. They operate in the Low Frequency (LF) range, with transmissions between LF 150 and 175 KHz. They also emit waves from the upper VHF to the lower UHF range of 225 – 400 MHz. The LF signals travel by waves that hug the ground rather than radiating into the atmosphere.

A GWEN station transmits in a 360 degree circle up to 300 miles, the signal dropping off sharply with distance. The entire GWEN system consists of from 58 to 300 transmitters spread across the US [diagram 2nd left] with the largest concentration of them being in Colorado and Pennsylvania. Each tower is 299-500 ft high having 300 ft copper wires in spoke-like fashion fan out from the base of the system underground, interacting with the Earth, like a thin shelled conductor, that radiates radio wave energy for very long distances through the ground.

The GWEN system was banned by the US Congress in 1994 over fears it could be used for “mind control” of the American population though many of its existing towers (including the one in Pueblo, Colorado) still exist and are said to be tasked with different missions.

The most outspoken critic of the GWEN system was Dr. Andrija Puharich (1918-1995) [photo bottom left] who as a US Army officer in the 1950’s participated, and frequently oversaw, what are known as The Edgewood Arsenal Experiments (also known as Project 112) said to be related to or part of CIA mind-control programs after World War II, such as MKULTRA....

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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 06:26 AM
reply to post by CthulhuMythos

It MIGHT be possible however keep in mind Schizophrenia is the oldest trick in the book to use to make a shooter appear to have a mental illness.

Schizophrenia, like ASD and ADHD is over diagnosed worldwide. It's a tag so widely used when in fact the patient is suffering from a head injury and/or other problems relating to PTSD.

You don't want to know how many children and adults with biological disabilities out there are taking a highly toxic mix of medications they should'nt even be on ? and quite often their diagnosis is wrong.

Of course, that doctor (part of the US airforce) specializes in Schizophrenia; how damn convieniant that one is too. Of course, it all goes along with the story to support the Prosecution and keep the masses thinking they're dealing with a lone nut case.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 06:30 AM
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Those tear gas canisters would have a serial number on them so they can be traced to the manufacturer who can trace the purchaser. Depending on what explosives were used that booby trapped Holmes' crib should also have a clue, it should also have finger prints on the stuff.

I would'nt be surprised though that the serial numbers etc has been scratched or "wiped" off

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 08:01 AM

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by CthulhuMythos

It MIGHT be possible however keep in mind Schizophrenia is the oldest trick in the book to use to make a shooter appear to have a mental illness.

Schizophrenia, like ASD and ADHD is over diagnosed worldwide. It's a tag so widely used when in fact the patient is suffering from a head injury and/or other problems relating to PTSD.

You don't want to know how many children and adults with biological disabilities out there are taking a highly toxic mix of medications they should'nt even be on ? and quite often their diagnosis is wrong.

Of course, that doctor (part of the US airforce) specializes in Schizophrenia; how damn convieniant that one is too. Of course, it all goes along with the story to support the Prosecution and keep the masses thinking they're dealing with a lone nut case.

yup, true, true, true and true.... all very true!

It is VERY convenient having the whole schizo aspect, from doctor to notebook etc. And yes it definitely seems to be both a help for the prosecution (supporting the lone crazy gun man story) AND the defence (he was out of his mind and had no control over it). Just like the post I made about the professor talking on the news along side a guy who has a 3D computer program which shows from crime scene data what really happened, he basically said Holmes was guilty already and the 3D program shows only one shooter, which adds emphasis to the general public, including jury members that he is the only one involved. No one seems to be looking for any other people being involved, even though other evidence/witnesses are saying otherwise. ATS thread

ADD, ASD, ADHD and now schizophrenia are being horribly overly used as an easy/lazy 'get out of finding the real problem' solution which costs money for more and more tests and very quickly makes Big Pharma a ton of cash instantly and for the life of that person once they are put on a programme like this. Yes, ticked, tagged, drugged and forgotten. It is like a production line or as my mum would say, as to why she would not go to the local (and not very good hairdressers).... everyone goes in different and comes out the same!
It has even been found that some people having been diagnosed with MS really have aspartame poisoning, all the while Big Pharma once again turns a huge profit. It is sickening. Source 1 , source 2, source 3
Many children have been put on Ritalin and all sorts when a simple dietary change can totally improve their symptoms and in some cases bring them back to a 'normal' behavioural pattern level. But of course that means no drug profits doesn't it? So it does not surprise me that PTSD is misdiagnosed for a quick and easy solution. Look how long it has taken for Gulf War Syndrome to be recognised as being real!

You are right, it IS interesting that of all the doctors Holmes could be under it is one who's specialty is schizophrenia and although whilst in the military she was an acupuncturist (from what I have read) who knows what other training she received or contacts/programmes she is involved in behind the official C.V. Also having had her knuckles rapped after prescribing meds for those she should not have, perhaps in her past she has done similar unethical deeds that she is being 'blackmailed' over and now has to comply with this charade. Of course, that is purely speculation on my part, but one does have to consider as many possibilities and then tick them / cross them off as either 'yae or nae' as more information is found or not found.

Perhaps this world should adopt a justice system where major crimes like this are put out to the general public to gather all information before the case is presented. Since forums like this have many heads searching for what really happened and manage to come up with way more connections to the background of these types of events, which often shows the official story is just that, a story, a system like this might just reduce the number of false flag deeds.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 10:46 AM
reply to post by bluemirage5

the human brain operates from 1 to 20 hertz. there are experiments that show the different frequencies affect human mood/behaviour, for example

6.6 hertz caused depression,

10.8 caused riotous behavior,

but 7.83 hertz (the earths pulse rate) could make a person feel good.

from 12/1/2008 ATS post

Who knows...

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 11:37 AM
It will be interesting to see if he's been on or withdrawing from antidepressants or other prescribed and legal wonderful pharma, as has been the case with almost every mass shooting in recent years. If that is again the case, lets hope the voices screaming for pharma control are louder than the ones screaming for gun control in an epic battle of big business. Odds are, with our corporment as entrenched as it is up the asses of big business, we won't get "control" of either.

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 02:42 PM
reply to post by Mccw2003

# thats crazy. The Illuminati again bringing mass panic to the masses

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 02:57 PM
reply to post by bluemirage5

That story about the radio blast traces back to sorcha faal though, so it should be taken with a jar of salt

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 04:08 PM

Just saying. Pretty sure he is telling the truth when he says that he doesn't remember. But that would just be too simple. I mean things cant happen without some "government" or something out to get people right?

posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 09:27 PM
reply to post by CthulhuMythos

I'm not diagnosing anyone, find a thread of mine that says otherwise!

I'm not that stupid.

The Govt and media wants you to think this was a crazed lone shooter.

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