Chavez sent message to Russian Gov. regarding SU-35

Not sure what I think about this... Most of us know who Hugo Chaves is, and how he got to where he is today, and that being said I don't know if I like the sound of this. I remember hearing Fidel Castro say something to the affect of, "I will die a happy man knowing you are in power", Talking about Hugo Chaves. Hugo Chaves and Fidel Castro were quite the buddies.. So here is a copy of what I read...



"With regard to obtaining Russia's latest multi-purpose Su-35 fighters the President of Venezuela Hugo Chavez, announced last Wednesday, in a national address on state radio, the he had already sent a message to the Russian government stating that Venezuela is ready to evaluate the possibility of acquiring Su-35 fighters to modernize and strengthen the countries defense capability in the coming years.

According to Chavez, it is security, defense and the development of the state that should be the main issues for the Government to further ensure national independence. “This independence, the well protected and guaranteed one, will give us the possibility to build a new Venezuela, a new Fatherland and to reach new horizons,” he added.

Russia is one of the main suppliers of arms to Venezuela.

The Su-35, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems."

It just means Venezuela is improving its defences.

Originally posted by XeroOne
It just means Venezuela is improving its defences.

And thats a good thing? I kinda don't think so..


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I mean Hugo is no "terrorist", but I don't believe he is very mentally stable, nor does he think things through..

Why not? Doesn't it have the right to ensure its own domestic security, like any other nation? Given the Venezuelan government hasn't attacked or invaded another country, it's not really a threat.

Originally posted by XeroOne
Why not? Doesn't it have the right to ensure its own domestic security, like any other nation?

Does a leader who bullied there way into presidency "Tyrannical leader", have the right to do this.. Sure, do I have to feel comfortable about it... NOPE.. And I don't think I'm alone here...

Originally posted by SickeningTruths

Originally posted by XeroOne
Why not? Doesn't it have the right to ensure its own domestic security, like any other nation?

Does a leader who bullied there way into presidency "Tyrannical leader", have the right to do this.. Sure, do I have to feel comfortable about it... NOPE.. And I don't think I'm alone here...

In what way is Chavez a 'tyrannical leader'? Was the previous regime worse?

Wikipedia says otherwise:

Following his own political ideology of Bolivarianism and "Socialism for the 21st Century", he has focused on implementing socialist reforms in the country as a part of a social project known as the Bolivarian Revolution, which has seen the implementation of a new constitution, participatory democratic councils and the nationalisation of several key industries.

Getting out of prison after two years, he founded a social democratic political party, the Fifth Republic Movement, and was elected president of Venezuela in 1998. He subsequently introduced a new constitution which increased rights for marginalised groups and altered the structure of Venezuelan government, and was re-elected in 2000. During his second presidential term, he introduced a system of Bolivarian Missions, Communal Councils and worker-managed cooperatives, as well as a program of land reform, whilst also nationalising various key industries.

If purchased im sure they would end up much like the F-14 Tomcats that Iran purchases way back when. Yeah sure they`ll turn and burn for a few months and maybe a year `til they start to fall apart, or until private buyers express intrest in purchasing them thru the VZAF.

Or it could be for an Aerobatics team much like the AF Thunderbirds, Su-35 would be the absolute perfect platform, just check out Russia`s Knights team which i believe operates the Su-35.

Speaking of The Su-35, anyone know what the Russians call them? I know they dont call it the Flanker thats a NATO designation and does the aircraft no justice.

I don't know why you think Chavez is such a threat. Sounds like you've been watching too
much MSM. Chavez stands up to the west and TPTB don't like that. I have enormous
respect for the man. Everything you hear about him on MSM is propaganda.
And considering everything NATO is doing to the Middle East, why shouldn't he want
protect himself and his country? It's his responsibility.

I respect him because he's an ex-military guy, and not some dude that went straight from university to a cosy political job.

Originally posted by XeroOne
It just means Venezuela is improving its defences.

Funny.

I thought it was an offensive weapon........

reply to post by sonnny1


well by that logic there is no such thing as a defensive weapon because they are all used as offense against an offense
and most of the world subscribes to the idea that the best defense is a good offense so i dont see how this applies anymore to venezuela than the united states, israel, china, russia etc etc etc

Originally posted by sirhumperdink
reply to post by sonnny1

 

well by that logic there is no such thing as a defensive weapon because they are all used as offense against an offense
and most of the world subscribes to the idea that the best defense is a good offense so i dont see how this applies anymore to venezuela than the united states, israel, china, russia etc etc etc

edit on 25-7-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

Chavez, is pandering to his people, and the World. His "Fatherland" speech is nothing new, and I can swear I heard it from the many dictators, in that area, and in the World. Maybe instead of playing the part, he could show the World hes not just another "dictator", save the money, or spend it on his people, and prove to the World thats he not like the various countries leaders, he likes to demonize.

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Hmm, Maybe since the US is on a Imperialistic World Tour, this might be the reason.

Naa, your right, Chavaz is da bad man,
www.ufppc.org...

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by sirhumperdink
reply to post by sonnny1

 

well by that logic there is no such thing as a defensive weapon because they are all used as offense against an offense
and most of the world subscribes to the idea that the best defense is a good offense so i dont see how this applies anymore to venezuela than the united states, israel, china, russia etc etc etc

edit on 25-7-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

Chavez, is pandering to his people, and the World. His "Fatherland" speech is nothing new, and I can swear I heard it from the many dictators, in that area, and in the World. Maybe instead of playing the part, he could show the World hes not just another "dictator", save the money, or spend it on his people, and prove to the World thats he not like the various countries leaders, he likes to demonize.

edit on 25-7-2012 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)

again this could be said about almost any country
why doesnt the US or any other country prove theyre not war mongering a holes and cut their military budget and spend it instead on its citizens instead of playing the part

im not saying youre wrong i agree with what you said but when you condemn the actions of one and not the actions of others doing the same thing it makes it look like you have double standards

reply to post by SickeningTruths


It is not bad nor good. Chavez has not interfered beyond hot air outside of its boarders, and only in regards to US bases that he sees as a threat to his nation (and taking history in account he has all reasons to think so and to be vociferous against the US interference in his nation and the region).

He is not a great president, he also never claimed to be (even to an outsider of the Latino culture) would think that he believes to be the savior of South America, part of it is just pose and propaganda, you could closely compare it (the pose) to Berlusconi in Italy, Their presence and stance is very similar, I would go as further as to state that mentally their are also close, if one considers that Berlusconi benefited from a better education. But the personality traits and mannerism are almost the same (at least what is publicly shown), even the need to be the center of attention.

Ultimately people elected that president by a landslide, his economic policies could have been better and more transparent but one has to contextualize it to the reality of the place, time and the background history. In fact Chavez is more a creation of the US policy on the region that anything else...

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oh wow. A new "Fatherland", huh?

Who does THAT sound like?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Just a guess but was it like when the US annexed Texas ?

Texas annexation at Wikipedia

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by SickeningTruths

 

oh wow. A new "Fatherland", huh?

Who does THAT sound like?

Seriously!? Comparing Hugo Chavez to Adolf Hitler?

I hear and understand, and maybe half agree with some of your posts. But I know for a fact him and Castro were chums. That cant be a good thing.. Again, he's no major threat, and that's obvious. I would be a liar if I said reading the article didn't bother me a little..

And to retract my quote, some one corrected me a little. Fidel Castro said something along the lines of, "I will die a happy man having met you".

This wasn't a "Your such an amazing person, and changed my life, I'll die happy because of you". This was a "I'll die happy knowing there is another person who thinks like me". Another person thinking like Fidel Castro "beefing up" their military, or air shows .... Leaves me a little un-easy..