Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

"The right to bear arms is because that's the last form of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt. It's to protect yourself from the police."

Problem is: no American is ever going to win a fire fight with the police.

There was a story here about 50 miles from me 2 or 3 years ago, where the police went to arrest a man for domestic abuse, and they decided the gun range was a good place to pick him up. The waited for him to walk out to his car, they tazed him, he dropped to one knee, drew his gun, and fired killing both officers that already had weapons drawn, and already had tazed him. He then proceeded into his truck, ended up in a high speed chase, where he rolled the truck, kicked out the back window, and had a firefight with the police injuring several before they finally killed him.

He didn't "win," because he was dead in the end, but he was one man versus an entire force, and he held his own.

He was a bad guy, not a good one, and I'm not trying to make him out as a hero, but if the US population ever decided to actually stand up for itself, it would be an effortless victory.

Originally posted by Viesczy

Problem is: no American is ever going to win a fire fight with the police.

You don't need to win the fire fight, the fact that as a collective we have acces to firearms is what keeps them from running roughshod over us in the first place.

Most of the threads on this website are about how you ARE getting 'roughshod over', in spite of all your guns...

If it were legal then I bet the guns would be turned on the corrupt bankers. But it's not. THe second amendment does allow me to defend your self from the military and police if they get out of control. Too bad it doesn't extend to protecting s from bankers (ie enemies within)

Sorry if I seemed defensive. As a gun owner I've been getting flak from all sorts guess I was just a bit touchy. Everyone is coming to me saying because I own a gun or two I'm part of the problem and not the solution to these gun rampages. I don't see how I'm involved or contribute one way or the other with these gun rampages.

My friend works a t a gun shop. One could argue that he's a part of the problem but in reality he isn't he turns people away all the time if they say, act or do anything that brings up a red flag. He even calls other gun dealers in the area and warns them that a wackadoodle may be coming to their store next. He tries to screen the psychos. But he's limited in what he can actually do other than refuse to sell. Some psychos are just very good at acting normal and decent until it's too late. WIth them pre screening is almost futile.

Originally posted by phroziac

If a cop comes to disarm me and i hand him a couple guns, hows he gona know about the other 50 i have?

Trained scent sniffing dogs. Nieghbors, family members, friends, social media web crawlers, and intercepted conversations to name a few.

"You'll never have justice on stolen land"....

Words of a Wise Man!!!

Ohhhh....forgot this one too....

In a land of no guns will you be the last one to have them?? LOL......maybe that was missed.

good catch man, that reporter was dumbfounded. it's strange so many non-americans seem to think that guns are responsible for all the murder and mayhem and not the people pulling the triggers

I think it's safe to say we in the UK, don't really get America's obsession with guns. It's a quite a big social and cultural difference, based on our divergent histories. I actually think it is quite an important right. The ability to defend yourself and your property and have considered myself that in a SHTF scenario, having a gun would be a great tool.

I think it's the gun in one hand, bottle in another, cowboy attitude that many Americans seem to have towards their guns that perplexes so many British people. Especially after hearing about the gun massacres and the rush to buy more guns in the aftermath. It's just not a logic, most British people are familiar with.

I mean countries like Switzerland have an armed population, but don't have the same reputation as Americans with firearms.

Ice-T was always an intriguing rapper and an even better actor. I remember this poster with him and Darlene Ortiz, his then fiancee.

Check out the gun Darlene was wielding in this pic.

Is Ice-T the same bloke who was Mr T in some TV show in the 198's0 or 90's whenever?