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John Moore Nibiru updates - can you afford to ignore this?

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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Does it matter who I mention? The issue is whether people make money off of the fake planet called Nibiru.

I appreciate you adding to the list to show that there is a lot of money being made. I do not have TV so I am unaware of extent on TV, especially cable channels.

Again, thanks for the list.




posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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Can't believe this thread is still going


For the last time: If anything like the mass of a planet were to arrive in 2012 we would have seen it a LOOOOOOONG time ago...and not just experts, but also hobby astronomers



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
Can't believe this thread is still going


For the last time: If anything like the mass of a planet were to arrive in 2012 we would have seen it a LOOOOOOONG time ago...and not just experts, but also hobby astronomers


Course it is, everyone has to really ram it down our throats that we're all gonna die in December or now as the OP says we're gonna rise to some new spiritual level....

Anyone remember HAIR?



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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A friend of mine emailed this today to me, he knows I'm interested in this kind of thing, I emailed him back as to where he sourced it from but no response yet, as we all know the purported Planet X "system" has smaller planets, planetoids or moons, and I think this is what we are seeing, I don' think these are lense flares:




posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by vkey08

Course it is, everyone has to really ram it down our throats that we're all gonna die in December or now as the OP says we're gonna rise to some new spiritual level....

Anyone remember HAIR?


Really? I don't remembering saying that, at least not in this thread. I do remember saying "spiritual awareness", which as far as I can see does not infer a rise to another spiritual level. Do you have to put words in my mouth to make your point?



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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What's your evidence that those aren't lens flairs? Are you a professional photographer? "I don't think" isn't proof...and if something of that size were visible it would be all over the newspapers (and would stay there, not just disappear the next day).




as we all know the purported Planet X "system" has smaller planets, planetoids or moons


Know from where? What proof? Where's the objective evidence?



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

A friend of mine emailed this today to me, he knows I'm interested in this kind of thing, I emailed him back as to where he sourced it from but no response yet, as we all know the purported Planet X "system" has smaller planets, planetoids or moons, and I think this is what we are seeing, I don' think these are lense flares:


You posted back in May the following.



I've taken many pictures, and though not an expert, I can discern the difference between lens flares and artifacts and objects which are not.


Why are you still being fooled by simple camera artifacts? Get yourself on a photography course and learn something. At least this confused guy can recognise the lens flare. Can you? If you capture stills from the video you will have your 'planets' and 'nibiru'. The idiot evens turns the camera on himself. Why are people so confused? All he had to do was put his finger up and his 'nibiru' discovery' would be in tatters. At least this confused guy can recognise the lens flares.







posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
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A friend of mine emailed this today to me, he knows I'm interested in this kind of thing, I emailed him back as to where he sourced it from but no response yet, as we all know the purported Planet X "system" has smaller planets, planetoids or moons, and I think this is what we are seeing, I don' think these are lense flares:



You honestly cannot see that those are lens flares? If you really think those are objects orbiting your fantasy planet, I've seriously lost all hope for you in this whole argument.



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Just because some videos contain lense flares, that does not mean all anomalies are lense flares, unless my understanding of logic is wrong.

Here is a clear video of another object near the Sun, the Sun goes behind clouds similar to if you were to put your finger on the light source, and the second object remains.

Most importantly, the smaller object goes behind the clouds, lens flares DO NOT move behind clouds:









posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Most importantly, the smaller object goes behind the clouds, lens flares DO NOT move behind clouds:

You're right. The lens flare (reflection, actually) does not go behind the cloud. It is overcome by the brightness of the cloud which is backlit by the Sun. Reflections are transparent, you can't see them when the background is brighter than they are.

Here's a thought. Remember that eclipse in May? There were a whole lot of people looking at the Sun. How come they didn't see Nibiru?

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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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lens flares DO NOT move behind clouds:

And planets don't show up on street signs. Did you even watch this video? Pay close attention at :15 onward

Put those "Multiple university degrees" to some good use



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Have your friend take 2 pics next time.

One like you posted, and another with the finger test.

If even with the finger test they "objects" are still there, have him send you the raw originals (IE no photoshoping, etc) straight from the camera, and then post links to those raw originals yourself on here. Let everyone see them in their raw form.



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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These are clearly imaging artifacts. The bright things in the image are not round.



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

as we all know the purported Planet X "system" has smaller planets, planetoids or moons



Nope, actually I didn't know. I've been following the Nibiru threads for some time, and I don't ever recall all Nibiru believers agreeing to existence of any orbiting objects. Actually I don't think Nibiru believers agree on anything except for the name. It's like trying to figure out which christian denomination someone belongs to. (And that is no insult to Christians since I would probably classify myself as Christian even though I do not attend church or support organized religion)

On the topic of lens flares, honestly I'm not an expert with cameras so I can't debunk your claims although Phage seems to have done an excellent job. What I do know is that people have been pointing to lens flares as planetary bodies for many many years and it's still not here. So the odds are against you. Even if another planet does one day enter the solar system you will still be wrong, because none of your evidence would be relevant.

If you can offer some hard evidence that there is a planet approaching in time for 2012 I will be the first one to support you. Until then you should probably change your name, since in December 2012 the only thing that will come to a finally is your reputation. Speaking of which these Nibiru threads are becoming less and less relevant to 2012 each day since we are only months away from the big day, and still we see nothing. Soon I am going to suggest Nibiru threads go to a different forum.



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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On moving Nibiru threads to their own forum, I already suggested that a few days ago to ATS in this thread here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

On what Nibiru is: you've pointed to a good analogy in many ways as far as a religion goes. You have all sorts of different claims out there ranging from Nibiru being a planet that has a very eccentric orbit (all though the size of the planet varies, the most popular one being 4 times the size of Jupiter), to it being a Brown Dwarf (something at least 15 Jupiter masses).

It's been described as a planet that orbits a companion star to our sun, but comes into our part of the solar system and has several moons of it's own, to being a "mini solar system) that comes in here too.

Then there is the date of arrival too that has many different sayings: Sitchin himself published a book before his death stating that it would not be here until some time around 2900 AD, but then you have the followers of Nancy Lieder who says (this time, as she's predicted other dates that have come and past) it will be December of this year.

So I have to say that's a good analogy in many was to a religion or cult, just based upon the amount of conflicting information and leading to different groups of followers.

One could even point to some of the "blind faith" that many who believe in Nibiru seem to have as a good example too.

Not everyone is like that (all though it is wild to see how many are). You have many that are willing to listen to science and physics, and will even ask more questions about it based on that. Some change their minds, some have a "wait and see what happens" attitude. But you also do have those that refuse to even consider that they might be wrong about Nibiru.

Still I could say the same on the skeptic side of the fence. While there is no way anyone can convince me that a heavy mass object is able to cruise through our inner solar system and not drastically alter our obits each time. You do have those that say it's completely impossible.

I would agree, however, and I've run simulations on this, it IS possible to have a LOW mass object (Earth size and down) with a highly eccentric orbit that can swing through our inner solar system and not affect the inner planets orbits. I don't know about the whole "Winged alien beings who made humans to be their slaves for extracting gold from the Earth" however. But I'm willing to entertain more reasonable ideas or theories (such as a low mass object that might be still very far out that is very small and hard to detect), but some skeptics are not willing to do that sometimes.

However, I've yet to see anyone on the "pro nibiru" side willing to entertain the idea of a low mass object that is still very far out and may not get here for centuries. They seem to insist that it's going to come out of the sun through a "stargate", or is somehow hiding behind the sun, but coming in from the south at the same time, that is has to be a high mass object, and in many of the threads on here of late: must get here by the end of this year.
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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Of course it's possible a large mass object might one day enter the solar system, anything is possible I suppose.

In the case of this thread it was started by someone who claimed he did not make up his mind regarding Nibiru. If that were the case his name should have been "PlanetXMightBeHere". If we ever needed a perfect example of a closet believer we have it now. As the thread went on the bias became more apparent.

PlanetX isn't Nibiru either, and neither have been proven to exist, but that is a totally different discussion. So I can only suspect that the 'PlanetX Nibiru System with smaller orbiting planets' was just made up on the spot. Unless someone can point to another thread where someone else made it up on the spot.
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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 11:28 PM
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It would be close to impossible for the Government to cover this up.

There are millions of amateur astronomers out there, keeping an eye 24/7 on the night skies. A lot of them have powerful telescopes, and not to mention the millions of astronomers that work throughout the world for all the different space agencies.

So this Nibiru is supposed to be a Brown Dwarf with a planet system around it? Do people honestly believe this thing could go undetected if it was entering the solar system? The gravitational pull of an object like this would be easily detectable, along with the light that would be reflected by the planets orbiting this brown dwarf.



posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
So this Nibiru is supposed to be a Brown Dwarf with a planet system around it? Do people honestly believe this thing could go undetected if it was entering the solar system? The gravitational pull of an object like this would be easily detectable, along with the light that would be reflected by the planets orbiting this brown dwarf.


You need to get your Nibiru facts straight, yesterday it was a brown dwarf, today it is an Earth sized perfect reflector of infrared light. I think that means its made of gold and would still be completely visible.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 03:27 AM
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I just wish people would get it into their heads the difference between size and mass.

The MASS of a brown dwarf can be between 13 and 80 times the mass of Jupiter.

In SIZE, a brown dwarf cannot be larger that ~2 times that of Jupiter, and may even be smaller than Jupiter itself.

A baseball masses ~0.145kg
A small shotput masses ~4.0kg

Thus a shotput is more than 27 times more massive than a baseball.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE SHOTPUT IS 27 TIMES BIGGER THAN A BASEBALL

A 4kg shotput has a diameter of ~108mm, which makes it ~1.5 times larger than a 73mm baseball.

Do you all understand the difference now?

Please...
Pretty-please...
Pretty-pretty-pretty please...


...let's have no more talk about an object "4 times bigger" or "15 times bigger" than Jupiter, because that would be describing a full-fledged star, which would be several hundred times the mass of Jupiter and visible from light years away.

Thank-you for understanding.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by Saint Exupery
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE SHOTPUT IS 27 TIMES BIGGER THAN A BASEBALL





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