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Originally posted by chr0naut
I think he's flicking the wind chimes with his finger so they make a tinkling noise.
"Assuming our current cosmological concepts are accurate and That Stitchin and others claims are true and nibiru was a jupiter or other similarly sized object then we would see the effects of its Gravity Well on other objects. For example we would see objects being disrupted in their normal orbit or we would see other effects. As of right now we do not see anything abnormal in the orbits of any body within our solar system.
Originally posted by DeathShield
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by DeathShield
So what do you suggest then, skeptics and believers?
I would suggest you take the time to learn a modicum of astronomy including a bit about orbital mechanics. The more the better but the basics would be sufficient to tell you that it is impossible for a body of significant mass to periodically enter the inner solar system without hopelessly disrupting the orbits of the planets. If Nibiru existed, we would not.
Without making the effort to gain the necessary understanding you will be only able to rely upon the claims of the believers and the skeptics. It's up to you...always.
edit on 7/26/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
So what you mean to tell me is that you have personally reviewed every single bit of evidence that claims to show proof of or non-proof of Nibiru or similar things and have access to all the labs, knowledge and equipment? Or are you basing it off of pre-existing reports and pre-existing knowledge that in and of itself is not 100% certain by sheer virtue of the limitations within our own current understandings? Knowledge that at best seems to be " mostly true" provided our pre-concieved notions are not in fact erroneous in and of themselves.
Wow, you just automatically assume that i have zero education on the subject. I already have the basic understanding of planetary physics to know that a nibiru style object would be a real wrench in the cogs for the rest of the solar systems planets. At no point do i assume that a situation is impossible though. Nor does the existence of technologies lead me to believe that there is an active effort to prove or disprove the scenario in question or that the subject is even knowable via such means. I believe that there might be a god out there but i am not running around telling everyone to repent or else zombie-christ is going to damn their souls to tartarus.
I know enough to know that there probably isn't a nibiru style scenario in play right now. Based off of current knowledge the Gravity Well that such an object would have would be another proverbial wrench in the cogs for our solar clock. But i don't think such a scenario to be impossible because " it hasn't happened. before" when the entirety of my Class and species has only been existant for a few million of the few billion years that this universe has supposedly existed for. Nor am i about to assume that the measly 100 years of scientific data and theory is free from personal cognitive biases or simple interpretation error.
So...instead of explaining to me why it couldn't work in simple and easy terms you opt to more or less throw a veiled insult my way and tell me to go get educated while refusing to substantiate your own position. Here i will give you a simple explanation for why nibiru might not be real.
"Assuming our current cosmological concepts are accurate and That Stitchin and others claims are true and nibiru was a jupiter or other similarly sized object then we would see the effects of its Gravity Well on other objects. For example we would see objects being disrupted in their normal orbit or we would see other effects. As of right now we do not see anything abnormal in the orbits of any body within our solar system. This is empirically observable within our current technological devices as interpreted by our current body of rules and standards. If you would like to know more than PM me and i will HELP YOU find the resources necessary to further educate you. However do not expect me to help if you are not willing to listen"
Well i got my answers guys. Thanks for showing me that there is no room for a seriously inquiring mind. I didn't even have my mind made up on this subject to begin with nor did i even claim that a nibiru style object or scenario existed. But apparently by expressing skepticism of BOTH sides claims and acknowledging limitation in my own knowledge i am someone who is completely uneducated who doesn't have even the slightest idea of how things work. I'm sorry but how do any of you expect to educate anyone this way?
All i wanted to know was what made either side so sure of its claim. And instead i got the same old shifting of burden of proof and shame inducing derision
edit on 26-7-2012 by DeathShield because: Because i am an uneducated pig without a grip on reality.
Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by flyswatter
And you and others missed my entire point. If you are going to say that someone is wrong than you need to explain WHY they are wrong. I don't honestly expect anyone to be able to 100% meet both sides demands. I expect people to at least be willing to defend their claim. Not say " JUST GO LOOK AT THIS AND YOU WILL SEE WHY YOU ARE WRONG"
JDW001 gave a simple and honest explanation of why he doesn't believe in a nibiru style object. You ( or at least i think it was you,different people have responded so i am in a mild state of confusion as to who i am actually speaking to) said that you don't have to prove anything because you aren't making a positive assertion.
I never claimed that nibiru was real or unreal. Just that i want to see evidence for BOTH positions. You ignored that and said that you have nothing to prove, that the other guy has everything to prove. It is a dishonest tactic. I am not running around claiming that nibiru is real because some dude somewhere says so, and i am not about to say that it definitely doesn't exist without providing reason for my claim.
Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by eriktheawful
Well perhaps i was too quick to judge, i am humble enough to admit that sometimes i jump before looking. I am human, and it is something i should work on improving yes? ( dont answer that unless you are going to be kind)
But please, tell me where i said that nibiru is real and that it definitely existed. If other people already explained it and me asking for support for these claims was misguided then why didn't you just kindly point out the posts where it was clearly explained. Why didn't you just simply say " it has already been explained look for the posts by "this user" and "that user"
But i wasn't addressing you or anyone directly now was i? Nor did i ever claim that i have proof of it either way. Just that nobody is ever able to give me a solid answer either way and that my mind is not made up on the subject. In return I get computer simulations showing that such an object is impossible based off of data that is assumed to be error free and guys showing me ancient artwork and documents that is left open for interpretation. When i start asking " how do we really know we are correct in either situation" i get told that i am uneducated or that i have to prove something when i make no claim either way.
Do you see why that is frustrating or upsetting? To be told that you are thinking about something in the wrong way when at no point do you claim that either side is correct, just that you are unable to know based on the current data. It is maddening.
Stereo, That sounds like a reasonable explanation. How did you hear about that from Google if I may ask?
I notice an object behind the box near it's border. Why would they stich it where a star cluster or whatever is instead of in a spot that is just empty space? Also, next to the original Lenoid image, there are streaks of black areas that are blocking out entire galaxies.
You could be correct. I am just wondering how you heard this explanation from Google because those blacked out areas always had me curious.
Nibiru does exist. The ancient people have spoken about it.
Please provide evidence that Nibiru does not exist or that it is impossible for a similar or identical object to exist.