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Materialism produces serial killers

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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In a lot of cases materialism produces serial killers and people who say they "snap" and they do something crazy.

This is because most people are not enlightened and they don't have knowledge of self. They identify themselves with their 3 dimensional, material brain. The brain doesn't have thought, ideas or can recall specific memories at will. All of these things transcend space and time and it's impossible for the material brain to carry out these things.

When we have an idea or recall a specific memory at will, we see the memory or idea that transcends space and time.

For instance, how does the material brain know which specific memory I want to recall? Say I wanted to recall a memory from little league baseball. How does the material brain know that I want to recall this memory? How does the material brain know the difference between a memory from little league baseball and a memory about the first time I went swimming?

This is not possible for the material brain. The brain reacts to things that occur in the body and in the environment. What happens with the serial killer and people in general, is they associate the material brains reactions with self.

There has to be a higher self that looks at things from a higher dimensional view and this higher self transcends space and time. I call this the field of mind or the field of consciousness. It has nothing to do with the paranormal and their have been peer reviewed papers published on field theories of consciousness.

So when the material brain reacts to stress or depression, people identify those reactions with self. The higher self can look at these reactions and say, "calm down, it's not that bad" or " it's not the end of the world."

Because of things like materialism, people associated and identify the material brains reaction to who they are.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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To kill millions of jews, Hitler undoubtedly held an abstract image of a jew in his head, one that was the product of his twisted ideas and thoughts. That is idealism. If he was at all materialistic, he may have recognized each one was unique and probably unlike the image of the Jew he held in his mind.

So it is just as safe to say Idealism produces serial killers.


Nonetheless, it is a false dichotomy. No idealism without materialism and vice versa.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Look at it this way. When white light goes through a prism it spreads out across a spectrum making a rainbow. Space-time is sort of like a prism, and when the higher self manifests through it, it also spreads out into a kind of spectrum. A spectrum of archetypes and pairs of opposites. Good/evil, subversive/loyal, male/female, materialistic/spiritual, war/peace, etc.

“Unity can only be manifested by the Binary. Unity itself and the idea of Unity are already two.”

-The Buddha


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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Materialism??? Charles Manson was a rather 'spiritual' (in the manichean gnostic sense) guy, same with david berkowitz.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Hitler was an EXTREMELY spiritual guy.. Have you seen what kind of books he had in his personal library?? He was an ARTIST for christs sake; his major source of inspiration was Richard Wagner, and the ride of the valkryies in his words encapsulated everything he sought to invest in every Germans soul.

What a poorly thought out topic this was.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Human beings may be subject to pairs of opposites, but that doesn't obviate the proper use of reason.

For instance, war may have it's time and place, as Solomon wisely said "theres a time for peace, and a time for war" - but only a defensive war, or a war made preemptively against an enemy that threatens your existence, has it's reasonable justification.

In the same way, in our personal relations with each other, there is no room or place for just acting unreasonably because "irrationality counters rationality"; No, that is not wisdom, but an excuse to act like an animal.

We should strive to inculcate good traits and hold off bad ones. This idiocy - tantra being one example of it - that whitewashes moral judgement for the sake of some 'greater cosmic unity' - even though that unity would only be of benefit to yourself - is such a tawdry sort of spirituality. Sexuality aside (and this in itself deserves its own discussion) the golden rule should be the only rule: treat others well, show love, sympathy, patience, and strive to do so in a spirit of unity.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Nahh .. narcissism produces serial killers. The complete lack of conscience produces serial killers. Complete and totl self centeredness produces serial killers. Materialism produces hoarders and keeps the credit card companies alive.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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If the material brain is similar to a computer how could it be that a computer can find a specific file it is looking for and yet your model of the brain is incapable of this simple function?

Does the overly materialistic society we come from produce unique and unusual pressures that cause some individuals to completely snap? Quite possibly.

Does this provide evidence for the brain being a useless wad of goo because the spirit is so badass it can do all these things in the material realm without any need for the brain? Not in the slightest.

Even if our bodies are illusions created so that souls can have worldly experiences the brain is an integral part of that illusion.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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The computer needs the user to find that specific file. Sit by your computer and see if it finds that file you want without your input.

The material brain reacts to stimuli from it's environment or what's occurring in the body.

The brain can't recall specific memories at will. What stimulates the brain to recall specific memories at will? I just recalled 3 memories before typing this. How is this possible for the material brain? How does the material brain know which specific memories I want to recall? How does the material brain know the difference between these memories?

Again, the killer can't separate reaction of the material brain from self. Therefore they identify every reaction of the material brain to stress, depression or something from their environment with who they are.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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The spectrum of archetypes which the higher self spreads out through includes the archetype of the trickster. You can't repress the irrationality of the trickster. When you squeeze a sausage at one end the other end bulges. When you repress an archetype it surfaces as a demon.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
Materialism??? Charles Manson was a rather 'spiritual' (in the manichean gnostic sense) guy,


If you consider Scientology spiritual then yes you would be right.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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The spectrum of archetypes which the higher self spreads out through includes the archetype of the trickster. You can't repress the irrationality of the trickster. When you squeeze a sausage at one end the other end bulges. When you repress an archetype it surfaces as a demon.


This is all Jungian mythology, trickster archetype, etc. As if these "archetypes" were gods which the reason - the beacon of the self - is forced to submit to.

The most important think of being self aware, self conscious creatures - is our ability to PERCEIVE right and wrong; this trickster archetype thinking is a license to kill, to steal, to insult, to demean, to torture, to bully; why are we even in the schools trying to help kids with bullying, if the 'trickster archetype' is all those bulliers are expressing??

It's stupid nonsense that any rational person would be wise to oppose.

BTW, I know PLENTY of people, perfectly reasonable, kind gentle, caring, who don't subscribe to this idea that to not act mischievously once in awhile forces the appearance of it's dark end; they're balanced and mostly relaxed individuals.

You should realize the dogmatic essence of this idea and stop talking of it as if it were irrefutably true, never contradicted by common experience.

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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Materialism produces killers?

Ask Chris Hedges.

Chris Hedges and Bill Moyers



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 02:06 AM
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My understanding of what you are describing is the will. I percieve there is more to us than our will and our physical body. One can have a will (that thing that drives or navigates the brain, if you will) and not be especially spiritual and of higher consciousness. That will could choose to indulge many animalistic drives and appetites; it could decide to open to the collective consciousness and not "drive". (even a choice to not choose is a choice...).
As someone pointed out, Charles Manson was very focused on spiritual perspectives.
Also, many serial killers thought out, planned their kills very carefully- it took a lot of will and intellect to do that- they did not act upon spontaneous reflexes and reactions.

That sort of following physical/emotional reflex and reaction is more descriptive of "crimes of passion" rather than serial killers.

I also wanted to comment on the duality issue, which I agree with, and that I don't think you understood, based on your reply.

Some people can split their world into good and evil, and only do/manifest the "good" as they judge it, and identify only with it.
SOMEONE ELSE will manifest the bad then.
Someone who opens themself to the collective consciousness and gives up the reins, or someone who opens to it and agrees to manifest energies that so many others pushed out.

This is how some people can determine the self - other boundry, and have a sense of superiority and self rightiousness. It's one of the ways contrast can be created.

If one recognizes that the parts they judge "evil" are part of who they are that they just choose not to manifest here, then it doesn't get dumped into the collective consciousness- they "own" it. It does not make the pile of evil stench grow and become more powerful. It's like- keeping your own compost at home, instead of adding to the city dump.

The serial killers (and all kinds of killers) are "us" also. They are moving our trash.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 03:14 AM
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I think they are born into violence, and that's what they inflict onto the world as a result. That's what they know. They are angry. They have been hurt, and they don't see a reason to treat others any differently.

Seriously doubt any path to enlightenment would reshape the mind of a serial killer.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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There is a difference between a serial killer (green river killer) and a mass murderer( James Holmes).

Not sure if it matters, but wanted to point that out. To me there is a huge difference. Serial killers have methodology and a long term plan or goal. Mass murderers are the ones that "snap" and kill many at one time.


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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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I never said anything about spirituality and it has nothing to do with it. People want to turn this into a religious vs materialism debate and it has nothing to do with this.

The point is the brain reacts to it's environment. whether it's abuse, stress, depression or something they read. Say you get into it with someone and they do something wrong to you. The brain reacts and and you turn this reaction into revenge. It takes the will or field of consciousness to look at the situation and say calm down and just walk away. If it was left to just the material brain a fight would break out everytime.

Again, the brain just reacts to stimuli from the environment or the body. Most killers take these reactions as there thoughts. They take these reactions to mean their going crazy. When they accept this they then focus the field of consciousness towards carrying out these reactions or they add to them.

Some serial killers are addicted to murder like people are addicted to drinking or smoking. Addiction is hard to overcome because it's such a strong reaction from the material brain, the rational self can't get a word in. It's just like death. Death causes such a strong emotional reaction from the material brain, it's hard for people to look at death as just a transition. Most people think it's final because they associate the material brain with who they are.

At the end of the day it's materialism and darwinism that produces a lot of the ills of society. If the world had the knowledge of self and could separate the reactions of the brain from the field of consciousness that does things like recall specific memories at will and looks at things from a higher dimensional point of view, things would be different.

so most science and psychology is based on identifying every reaction of the material brain with the person identity and then medicating those reactions to death for every little thing. I had to stop a friend from taking her 3 year old to a psychiatrist because he's hyper and he has some imaginary friends. He's a 3 year old boy.

Many reactions of the brain are good things. They help in areas of love and creativity. The thing is being able to view these things from the point of view of the higher dimensional self and they wouldn't associate every reaction of the material brain with who they are.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
Again, the brain just reacts to stimuli from the environment or the body. Most killers take these reactions as [their] thoughts. They take these reactions to mean [they're] going crazy. When they accept this they then focus the field of consciousness towards carrying out these reactions or they add to them.


No one thinks that stimuli are thoughts, unless they are insane. Stimulus requires thought to be understood. It is thought that compels one to murder—just like it compels one not to murder. First-Degree murder differs in that it's premeditated, meaning someone meditated and thought about it for at least some time. It is emotion and thought, not stimulus or the material brain, that first urges, then determines, how one should murder.

Murder, if it's not done immediately through a lack of emotional self-control, is carried out in a calculated manner, which shows a great deal of thought.

Also, I'm not sure what Darwinism or materialism have anything to do with it, as people have been murdering thousands of years before these ideas were even conceived.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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Thank you for that commonsense. I couldn't have said it more concisely.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by neoholographic
I never said anything about spirituality and it has nothing to do with it. People want to turn this into a religious vs materialism debate and it has nothing to do with this.


You are wrong. It has everything to do with it. Out of religion stems morality and knowing what is right or wrong. Even people who claim to be atheist know right from wrong. people who commit crimes have no sense of what is right or wrong.


The point is the brain reacts to it's environment. whether it's abuse, stress, depression or something they read. Say you get into it with someone and they do something wrong to you. The brain reacts and and you turn this reaction into revenge. It takes the will or field of consciousness to look at the situation and say calm down and just walk away. If it was left to just the material brain a fight would break out everytime.


Wrong again. It's a matter of morals, or The Golden Rule. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Research, the Sermon on the Mount.


Again, the brain just reacts to stimuli from the environment or the body. Most killers take these reactions as there thoughts. They take these reactions to mean their going crazy. When they accept this they then focus the field of consciousness towards carrying out these reactions or they add to them.

Some serial killers are addicted to murder like people are addicted to drinking or smoking. Addiction is hard to overcome because it's such a strong reaction from the material brain, the rational self can't get a word in. It's just like death. Death causes such a strong emotional reaction from the material brain, it's hard for people to look at death as just a transition. Most people think it's final because they associate the material brain with who they are.

At the end of the day it's materialism and darwinism that produces a lot of the ills of society. If the world had the knowledge of self and could separate the reactions of the brain from the field of consciousness that does things like recall specific memories at will and looks at things from a higher dimensional point of view, things would be different.


Are you a serial killer? You sound like you are speaking from experience, rather than showing us data and links for your speculation.


so most science and psychology is based on identifying every reaction of the material brain with the person identity and then medicating those reactions to death for every little thing. I had to stop a friend from taking her 3 year old to a psychiatrist because he's hyper and he has some imaginary friends. He's a 3 year old boy.

Many reactions of the brain are good things. They help in areas of love and creativity. The thing is being able to view these things from the point of view of the higher dimensional self and they wouldn't associate every reaction of the material brain with who they are.


Could you supply us links as to how you figured all this out so there is some real logic to it?



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