Titanic NEVER actually sunk................

Originally posted by SFWatcher
Seriously....if you have EVER had the pleasure of getting a vessel insured for commercial use....that story would not hold water (no pun intended).

The paint and name in a ship have very little to do with what and how a vessel is insured.

Different back then? I would suspect otherwise. Maritime insurance is one of the oldest businesses in record -- and today's insurance documents are often based (depending in carrier) on laws of the seas that are literally "as old as time".

To imagine anyone insuring either of those vessels without knowing exactly WHAT they are insuring and WHAT happened to them is simply unthinkable....

Yeah! what he said!

Second!

It's doesn't exactly make sense of what you are trying to say here.

The Titanic was the Olympic.
www.youtube.com...

At 4.40 in the youtube clip we see why they swapped ships and its documented. Nobody with an ounce of intelligence can doubt such solid evidence

To the OP . Your opening post was rather inaccurate but in the main it was correct .

The Olympic was damaged by a Navy minesweeper before she could undergo her sea trials. The damage was extensive and it was discovered that she had broken her back , which in all intents meant she was useless as a passenger liner and all the White Star Line could hope to salvage was her scrap metal value . The company was already in financial difficulties and so the plot was hatched to switch the Olympic with the Titanic for the sea trials .

www.youtube.com...

To all you naysayers , watch and learn .

This subject has never been Debunked , as some would have you believe , because the evidence is just too overwhelming .

Originally posted by SFWatcher
Seriously....if you have EVER had the pleasure of getting a vessel insured for commercial use....that story would not hold water (no pun intended).

The paint and name in a ship have very little to do with what and how a vessel is insured.

Different back then? I would suspect otherwise. Maritime insurance is one of the oldest businesses in record -- and today's insurance documents are often based (depending in carrier) on laws of the seas that are literally "as old as time".

To imagine anyone insuring either of those vessels without knowing exactly WHAT they are insuring and WHAT happened to them is simply unthinkable....

The sea trials for the "Titanic" lasted a fraction of the time it would take to hold a usual sea trial and she didn't even reach anywhere near full speed. That in itself suggests bribery and fraud.
Maritime insurance fraud is widespread and still goes on today .

If that theory made any sense with the olympic having a bad keel and not being sea worthy then why not just scheme to sink the olympic and not the titanic. Why even switch boats? Makes no sense.

Aren't there photos of the two ships side by side in the dock with the olympic much farther along in construction than the titanic. From the construction alone you can tell the differences in superstructure. THey were too different to be confused with a little switcheroo.

The conspiracy theory has never been debunked because it didn't hold enough wait to actually have anyone seriously consider it. It's stupid on several glaring levels.

Also why would the third ship in the series have all the same revisions as the second ship in the series. Olympic looked different from both the titanic and the brittanic because it was the first of the series. The titanic and brittanic looked different from the olympic because they came after and used the revision created from the lessons learned in the olympic. Like a partial covered first class promenade so that the rich could enjoy their tea and newspapers better without wind blowing everything around on deck.

finally if there was some conspiracy to sink the olympic guised as the titanic then why would the captain of the boat knowingly crash into a iceberg with the hopes of sinking the boat knowing he was going to die going down with the boat. Last time I checked captains close to retirement don't blow it all by committing suicide and murdering 1,500 + people just so his soon to be ex boss could be happy. Try convincing the captain to do that.

Originally posted by tpg47
To all you naysayers , watch and learn .

This subject has never been Debunked , as some would have you believe , because the evidence is just too overwhelming .

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This is coming from your own video, I am quoting the narrator of your video. This is at the 44:50 mark, just so you can verify it for yourself.

"This is a cracking conspiracy theory, and one that is all too tempting to believe, if not for the VAST MASSIVE EVIDENCE AGAINST IT" he then of course goes on to say there is a possibility, but of course why make a documentary about the conspiracy theory just to say it is false.

Also, I'll admit I skipped around in the video, but this whole thing seemed to start from a guy nicknamed "Patty The Pig" whose real name doesn't even show up as someone who worked on the ship. Always good to trust the word of someone who lied about working on the ship.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
If that theory made any sense with the olympic having a bad keel and not being sea worthy then why not just scheme to sink the olympic and not the titanic. Why even switch boats? Makes no sense.

Aren't there photos of the two ships side by side in the dock with the olympic much farther along in construction than the titanic. From the construction alone you can tell the differences in superstructure. THey were too different to be confused with a little switcheroo.

The conspiracy theory has never been debunked because it didn't hold enough wait to actually have anyone seriously consider it. It's stupid on several glaring levels.

Cos they couldnt get it insured for what the Titanic was insured for, wernt you paying attention.
Maybe you had better rewatch and comprehend the video again

reply to post by r2d246


Not even reading your thread ...

It was The Olympic that sunk , the name has been exposed on the ship its self , some letters fell off TITANIC a few years ago .... the letters M and P were engraved underneath .

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Many years ago I went to that when it was in Atlantic City N.J. Not sure if it was the same exhibit, it was only there for like a week and they moved on to another city. Very interesting exhibit but it was sad. I remember wearing these headphones while you walk around the exhibit and it would tell you personal stories about each object. I think the letters written by passangers to loved ones when they knew they where going to die was the saddest.

They had the biggest piece of the hull from the Titanic that was ever brought up there in a pool outiside. On the bottom of the pool there was hundreds of little pieces of rust that fell of the hull. A few of us reached in a grabbed a piece of the rust. I lost it when hurrican Katrina hit. Guess the ocean wanted it back

I've never understood something about the sinking of the Titanic.

How can ice possibly cut through a thick steel hull? Isn't that theoretically impossible? Has ice cutting through steel ever been replicated under scientific testing conditions?

Also, isn't this unprecedented in that it's never happened to a ship before?

reply to post by Eurofile007


Remember the ship struck the iceberg going at a good rate of speed and this iceberg was basically an almost immovable object composed of solid ice weighing probably 1000's of tons in weight so those forces have to go somewhere and the steel plating wasn't thick enough or welded well enough to be able to absorb those sort of stresses so eventually i'd imagine as the ship his the iceberg the hull plates started to get crushed and the rivets popping under the stress

you can sort of replicate it by driving a car and skimming a tree along one side and see what sort of damage it does to your car since steel is harder than wood

Originally posted by Maxatoria
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Remember the ship struck the iceberg going at a good rate of speed and this iceberg was basically an almost immovable object composed of solid ice weighing probably 1000's of tons in weight so those forces have to go somewhere and the steel plating wasn't thick enough or welded well enough to be able to absorb those sort of stresses so eventually i'd imagine as the ship his the iceberg the hull plates started to get crushed and the rivets popping under the stress

you can sort of replicate it by driving a car and skimming a tree along one side and see what sort of damage it does to your car since steel is harder than wood

A car scraping a tree would only suffer dents in the hull, not tears.

These are just words though. I would like to see a scientific test replicating the iceberg breaking through a metal hull under controlled conditions.

Also, why would an unsinkable ship break in half all of a sudden? That is suspicious too.

And why would the builders call it "unsinkable"? Ships are not usually called that. It was like they were trying to set it up to take a fall.

Here's a thought:

Perhaps the Illuminati need to do a major sacrifice ritual event every 30 years, to appease their deities or balance out some energy on the Earth, while inducing terror into the masses? Consider this:

1912 - Titanic sinking (Note: The Titanic was built in 1911, so there is "911" in that year too, how eerie)

1941 - Pearl Harbor

1970's - Vietnam War

2001 - 9/11

See the pattern? Every 30 years, there seems to be some kind of big sacrifice event. Is this a coincidence or a pattern? What do you think?

I read that hypothesis a while back. It is possible that there are some deceiving things that happened. There are actually two good articles on this, the same ship but a different reason for deception. The deadline was unachievable.

reply to post by Eurofile007


But when the Titanic at full speed is going against an iceberg weighting thousands of ton's in its a lot different as you have to consider the basic forces so while a car generally skimming a tree will just bend the cars metal but what happens if theres a branch in the there (a bit of ice sticking out) and the fact its built of riveted sections not flat panels like cars means theres more points to be ripped open and also points of failure

and technically the only proof you can trust is that which you have done yourself so create yourself a riveted titanic with the same quality steel/riveting and relatively equivalent mass and throw it against a similar sized iceberg and record the results

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are you kidding me!!!! have you ever delt with an insurance claim at any point in your life????!!!???? No way they are going to confuse two very different boats and awardand insurance claim to a obvious scam in the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. even if the insurance people were on the inside the public and people like pblic adjusters would have noticed and foiled t not so well thought out plot. Also explain the human factor in the titanic sinking that could ever possibly convince a soon to be retired pride of the fleet, one of the finest captains in his ay, soon to be living the good life to commit suicide and murder 1,500+ people and die in avery painful way, all so that hs asshole boss can collect a fraudulent insurance claim.

reply to post by Eurofile007


It didn't cut through, at least not the entire length of the tear. It popped rivets that were weakened from being made of substandard steel, submerged in freezing water (which weakened the steel even more). There were one or two spots where the iceberg ripped the hull, but the hole that sank her, was made when the rivets popped and the seams separated.