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Originally posted by Aronolac
...When you say “spirits of all natures are capable of observation”, you observe correctly. I did not include those who were present at the rejuvenation of Aquestion. Be assured there were dozens and not all are required to identify themselves to us.
...But this is only the fist lesson, and these comparatively uplifting experiences belong chiefly to it. Later experiences will demonstrate, as all Spiritists will freely acknowledge, that there are "evil spirits," 'lying spirits," which time and again deceive them; and the messages and revelations, often foolish and nonsensical, gradually lead the investigator to a disbelief of the Bible and the Creator, while it teaches and exalts "the spirits" as the only sources of knowledge aside from nature; and thus the way is paved toward advanced lessons on "spirit-affinities," "free love," etc. But after the first deception and shaking of confidence the explanation that there are "both good and bad spirits" is generally satisfactory; and the poor victim follows blindly on, because assured that he communes with some supernatural power.
From amusement of curiosity and answering of questions, sometimes quite truthfully, they proceed to gain the confidence of their victims, and in a plausible manner to break down the will power and make slaves of them. Then they tyrannize in a most diabolical manner, leading into excesses of various kinds. Should conscience rebel or an attempt be made to get free from this slavery, all reserve is cast aside and the victim is taunted with his fall, persuaded that there is no hope for him, and that his only future pleasure must be in diabolism-scriptures being skillfully quoted and cited to apparently prove this.
Here is an illustration of the insidious methods of these demons. Like Satan and the evil spirits of our Lord's day, they will confess Christ and the truth. Similarly, the woman "possessed" followed Paul and Silas several days saying truly ( A& 16: 16-18 ), "These men are the servants of the most high God, which show unto as the way of salvation." But for that matter, abundant evidence could be deduced that they would confirm and approve almost any doctrine or theory held precious by the inquirer in order to gain his confidence, and thus a fuller power over him.
...To our surprise found that several of its leading articles [in a spiritualist magazine) freely conceded that the vast majority of the communicating spirits are evil spirits which seek influence over human beings in order to work their ruin: and if possible to get possession of them to make them crazy. It told of written communications dropped into a room signed "Beelzebub" and "Devil." In one column under the caption "A Critical Study of Obsession," was an account of a poor woman who had been so beset by evil spirits that she was sent to an Insane Asylum and who finally got rid of their torments; and it gives her statement, "I prayed them away." Asked, "To whom did you pray ?" her recorded answer is, "To the Ever-living God. He only can answer prayer." And yet in another column God's name is blasphemed, under the caption, "Peter and Paul," from which we quote these words--"Moses, who tho said to be learned in all the Egyptian skill, was the very meanest of men, and for his God erroneously took Jehovah, a departed spirit of an Egyptian disappointed aspirant to some lucrative or ecclesiastical office.
But while able to tell things past and present, these evil intelligences are quite unable to do more than guess at the future. Yet these guesses are often so skillfully stated as to satisfy the inquirer and yet appear true, if the result should be the opposite of his expectation. Thus the oracle of Delphi having been consulted by Croesus demonstrated to him a super-human knowledge of present things, and when he, having thus gained confidence in it, inquired through its mediums, "whether he should lead an army against the Persians," the answer as recorded by Herodotus the historian was, "By crossing the Halys, Croesus will destroy a mighty power!" Relying upon this, Croesus attacked the Persians and was defeated. His own mighty power was destroyed! History is full of such evidences that the demons know not the future; and God's Word challenges all such, saying,- "Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. Let them bring them forth and show us what shall happen. Let them show the former things [things before or to come] what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods."-Isa. 41 : 2 I, 23.
We shall not be at all surprised if some later manifestations of the powers of darkness, transformed to appear as the angels of light and progress, shall be much more specious and delusive than anything yet attempted. We do well to remember the Apostle's Words,-"We wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with princely powers of darkness, with the spiritual things of the evil one."-Eph. 6: 12.
In 1842, six years before "modem Spiritism" began to operate, Edward Bickersteth, a servant of God and student of his Word, wrote,-
"Looking at the signs of the times, and the long . neglect and unnatural denial of all angelic ministration or spiritual influence, and at the express predictions of false Christs, and false prophets, who shall show signs and wonders, insomuch that it were possible they should deceive the very elect, and that when men receive not the love of the truth that they might be saved, for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they shall believe a lie; I cannot but think there is a painful prospect of a SUDDEN RECOIL and religious revulsion from the present unbelief and misbelief, to an unnatural and undistinguished CREDULITY. "
We could make voluminous quotations from Spiritist writings, proving that it totally denies the Bible, and that it is in direct opposition to its teachings; that it has denied the very existence of God, teaching instead merely a good principle, and that every man is a god. It denies the atonement and the Lordship of Christ, while it claims that he was a spirit-medium of low degree; and furthermore, abundant testimony could be quoted from prominent Spiritists proving that the tendencies of Spiritism are extremely demoralizing. We will content ourselves with one. Here is the testimony of J. F. Whitney, editor of the Pathfinder (N. Y.). Having been a warm and evidently an honest defender and advocate of Spiritism for a long time and well acquainted with its devotees, his is a testimony hard to impeach. He says: -
"Now, after a long and constant watchfulness, seeing for months and years its progress and its practical workings upon its devotees, its believers, and its mediums, we are compelled to speak our honest conviction, which is, that the manifestations coming through the acknowledged mediums, who are designated as rapping, tipping, writing and entrance mediums, have a baneful influence upon believers, and create discord and confusion; that the generality of these teachings inculcate false ideas, approve of selfish individual acts, and endorse theories and principles which, when carried out, debase and make man little better than the brute. These are among the fruits of modern Spiritualism. . . .
"Seeing, as we have, the gradual progress it makes with its believers, particularly its mediums, from lives
of morality to those of sensuality and immorality, gradually good principles, we look back with amazement to the
radical change which a few months will bring about in individuals; for its tendency is to approve and endorse
each individual act and character, however good or bad these acts may be."
He concludes by saying- "We desire to send forth our warning voice, and if our humble position, as the head of a public journal, our known [former] advocacy of Spiritualism, our experience, and the conspicuous part we have played among its believers, the honesty and fearlessness with which we have defended the subject, will weigh anything in our favor, we desire that our opinions may be received, and those who are moving passively down the rushing rapids to destruction, should pause, ere it be too late, and save themselves from the blasting influence which those manifestations are causing. "
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Originally posted by Aronolac
If earth is point “E” and the mansion world capital “J” wishes to contact “The Gut”, a specialized spiritual technician “E” sets you up by opening your superconsciousness (you are totally unaware of knowing it is there). With your mind identified and prepared, a high energy circuit is beamed into the crown chakra (the tingles are often signs it has been opened). The specialized cells under the crown convert the high frequency circuit to an electro-chemical impulse, and the body distributes the impulse to the neurons in the brain. This can result in “contact” through the physical mechanism whether it is the hands (for writing), into the fingers (for typing), into the auditory nerve (for channel). When the message is delivered, the high frequency energy is withdrawn from the crown chakra, and the person returns to normal. This description is highly simplified, but it is essentially what happens.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by stupid girl
Dear stupid girl,
Perhaps my question is even simpler. Do channelers even make an attempt to verify the validity of what they believe they are experiencing? If not then not, if they do then I am interested in how they differentiate one from another.
Your Near Death Experience (NDE) is nothing to shy away from. You had the good fortune to believe enough in the redemptive powers of the Creator Son, known as Jesus to our world, to withstand the nearly inexhaustible energy stream that flowed to you in that event. I will provide you a glimpse of your experience as seen from the spiritual personalities who attended you that moment: