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What's Canada Doing Right?

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Ah yes...our poor health care system. I was referred to a blog today by a self-professed American conservative who found herself in Canada at the mercy of our system. I know...it's just a blog. But, it's an opinion voiced by somebody who has seen both sides of the issue. You might find it of interest. ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.ca...


That blog is full of crap!!!!!!!!!

Firstly that lady is OBVIOUSLY a liberal pretending to be a former conservative, there's no doubt about that
Secondly she said in Canada even homeless people have healthcare, what is she smoking????
Homeless do not have easy access to healthcare, this is untrue.

Secondly the author keeps saying this was free, that was free and this was free too.
That is not a former conservative because a conservative knows that nothing is free, the people pay for it, that's why people who oppose universal healthcare oppose it.

there's even no family doctors taking more patients in Canada anymore
So what happens?
The ER waiting room is full of people who need immediate attention because they have a cold, or their stomach is feeling weird.
Things that a family doctor should take care of, not ER.

There's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MANYYYYYYYYYYYYY other issues with her blog

Please do not consider that a legit source
Her opinion pretty well aligns with my experience, and I've been here a lot longer than you have and I have personally been through the system hand in hand with friends and loved ones.
It's all a matter of opinion, generally based upon the last experience you had. Sure we pay for it. I pay an extra $400 or so a year to the province on top of the rest of my taxes. Therefore my cancer was cured for $32 out of pocket. Parking at the hospital. For that we get a pretty damn good health care system and a pretty damn good standard of living. There will always be people who fall through the cracks...that happens everywhere. But...given...

You know what? Who gives a crap what you think? Just don't let the door slam you in the arse on the way out!


Much love eh?,
JC

And in the interest of adding to the thread, I submit the following recent piece provocatively entitled: A few reasons why Canada’s economy is better than the U.S. economy business.financialpost.com...
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Therefore my cancer was cured for $32 out of pocket.


Though i'm glad you got cured of cancer you saying it only costed you $32 means you do not understand the system or how healthcare is funded



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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The only retort you can come up with is that it MUST be a liberal pretendign to be a conservative?



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
The only retort you can come up with is that it MUST be a liberal pretendign to be a conservative?


Yes that was my ONLY retort









posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Therefore my cancer was cured for $32 out of pocket.


Though i'm glad you got cured of cancer you saying it only costed you $32 means you do not understand the system or how healthcare is funded
I suspect that I have been paying several forms of taxes since quite a while before you were born. I understand the system just fine.
I understand that our healthcare system works pretty darn good...certainly a lot better that that of the U.S.
I understand that our taxes pay for that system.
I understand that our standard of living is arguably better than that of the U.S. when you consider that the banking shenanigans that have crippled American home owners in particular would have sent said bankers to prison here.
I also understand that it was the Conservatives that tried to breach those protections, but the Liberals ...Paul Martin...would have none of it, hence the current economic stability that Steve tries to take credit for.
I understand, all that being said, that we do not suffer economically for the crime of not throwing the less fortunate under the bus.

I understand that for all its warts...and snow...Canada beats any other nation you might care to suggest.

Finally...I understand that you might be more genial a guest than to slag a system you obviously don't understand.

Edited to add the following...

Caleb Medley, Uninsured Aurora Shooting Victim, May Face $2 Million In Medical Costs
An Aurora shooting victim could face millions in medical costs because he faces a common problem: He doesn't have health insurance.

The family of Caleb Medley has been told that his medical bills could cost up to $2 million if he fully recovers, CBS News reports. Medley, who lacks health insurance, is currently in an induced coma after he was shot in the eye during Friday's Colorado tragedy. His wife, Katie, gave birth to their son in the same hospital Tuesday. www.huffingtonpost.com...


This would not happen in Canada!

...just sayin'.
edit on 25-7-2012 by JohnnyCanuck because: ...just because...ok?



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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you got alot to learn about the country
Listen, i'm not bashing Canadians here but the system, big difference

But your perception is wrong!

Now you have a success story about Cancer, that's great. But are you sure your happiness represents a majority?
See this, canadian cancer


And this is for you as well
victimofhealthcarecanada.com...

Things are in no way as great as you think they are friend



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Things are not perfect...nothing is. BUT...anything that is connected to the Sun may be regarded as equivalent to FOX news. If that is your only source of info, I'd suggest you poll your Canadian peers as to how many wish to swap with the American system of...hell...anything except for Hostess 'Real Fruit' fruit pies. There, you've got us whupped.

But I digress...which country do I need to learn about? I've covered most of Canada and more of the US than most Americans.


edit on 25-7-2012 by JohnnyCanuck because: ...just because...ok?



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Also if you look at medical tourism more people leave the US to get treatment elsewhere than leave their place to go to the US for treatment. Heck, some insurers in the US even offer to cover medical tourism!

Free market and healthcare are a bad match.
Imagine a supermarket where every cashier had a gun, and asked at the register "So, what would you want to pay for these goods, if I promise not to shoot at you?"
Yet that is a pretty common situation in healthcare! Sometimes your customer is unconcious! Other times he/she is in pain, fear of death etc.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Hmmm, lets see, I had a surgery to remove a benign tumour, 8 days in the hospital, all drugs and medicine - it cost my husband $10/day in parking

Hmmm, Birth of my daughter, emergency c-section, 4 days in the hospital, all drugs and medicine - it cost my husband $10/day in parking

Hmmm, my father had a quadruple by-pass, 14 days in the hospital, all drugs and medicine - parking was only $5 dollars/visit

Incidently, my Dad was originally bumped because a homeless man came off the street with a heart attack the day my Dad's surgery was booked. We know, because he shared a room with my father.

Canada is far from perfect, but really there is no place I would rather live.

By the way, the government also gives me $163/month just to say thanks for having a kid.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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The statistics of the airline industry tell us we're safer up in a commercial jet than we are on our own couch at home and yet things can go sideways, when they do it can get ugly for a lot of individuals depending on the circumstances. Having said that, we don't tend to turn away from that system because something went tragically wrong within said system, we fly regardless because the odds are overwhelmingly in our favor. All systems are going to have a rate of failure and the medical system is no exception. I have lived in Canada for over forty years, I've had numerous medical problems within that span of time all of which have resulted with a very positive outcome at no direct cost to me as an individual. Lately, my province has made it mandatory that I must carry medical insurance which if my employer doesn't pay, I must. Fortunately, my place of work builds that amount into my salary and then as I said earlier, they pay the extended portion i.e long term disability, drugs etc. You can dig around in the Canadian system 'till the proverbial cows come home and for sure you'll find mistakes and system failures but they will pale in comparison to the plethora of nightmare stories one finds in the US system.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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You think it's that good up here? ha ha. Well you don't have a clue. Lets just put it this way, living up here I'm too scare to write what I'd like to tell you about how things work up here. It's far to risky for me to do that. Lets just say if you're up here keep your head down. Don't make any waves. If you work here just get a job thats' it. Keep your head down. They actually teach us this in grade 2. Like okay everyone in the class put your head down on your desk we're all gonna take a nap. Yes keep your head down, wish I would have remembered that lesson. Dont' stir the pot. Or you'll attract the attention of entities that will ruine your life. No that rosey picture you've seen, I've heard that a million times. It's brainwashing. If you only knew, again I can't say what really goes on. Keep it vague as it's too risky otherwise.




posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by swoopaloop
We've stolen the American Dream and turned it into the Canadian Dream.

Here's some more reasons why the great white north is amazing.

-Less severity for crimes. Drinking under age in Canada you get your drink poured out and told to go home. Drinking under age in the USA, you get a ticket.

-nobody cares about marijuana. We smoke it like it's legal.

-Better Beer and better weed.

-Free Health care

-Hockey

-Better looking women

-Full nude Strip Clubs

-I don't even know why, but I get 20 bucks from the government every month.

And there's more.

edit on 24-7-2012 by swoopaloop because: (no reason given)


See I love this post. This is most Canadians who have kept there head down. They like life, no problems etc. As long as you check into your job your fine. Just don't stir the pot. Don't start a business. Don't try and think or act any different than the status quowe. That is your key to living a good life up here. Damn why don't they teach that more in our schools!!!



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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wow, where do I poke this dead possum to see if its alive?
okay this thread started telling the pros and cons of Canada and America, but turned into I Want To move to MEXICO, Dora has taught me soooo much!
I live in west Michigan and have travelled to the UP a few times, went to Windsor back in 2001 before you needed a passport, lol, my buddy ordered an escort and I left and came back and he was balled up on the bed rocking back and forth like a rape victim with a 1000 yrd stare,ahh yes good times-
Back to the mines bigger than yours argument

I believe Canada has a better scope of human rights than USA because there are like what 8-10 territories, America has 50 States, too many cooks in the kitchen.
But the US has better weather, and....ummm.....government initiated racism and a racial double standards? Good for you Canada, Vancouver Grizzlies were horrible!

I love America because I was taught to and do believe that Canada is a much better place to be "Human", and not a 'Commodity".
edit on 25-7-2012 by PlayOnwards because: I was laughing



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 12:45 AM
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nooo here's the thing....

Let me try to explain what were best at. Were best at hidding what actually goes on. We portrai such an advanced and prosperous society. And after you get out of school your choices are: get a job, get a job, or get a job. Do your own thing and you get crushed like a bug. So there's this illusion of freedom when it comes to some choices. But I'm nit picking. I guess were not bad compared to some places. But still, where's the handbook on how to live as an adult in Canada? Where is that handbook? Cuz they don't want you to know all that much about how the system works up here. Like you know a free range chicken? It doesn't know it's a free range chicken still under lock and key until it grows fat enough and it get cooked. So that's why I say, if you keep your head down, just get a job, don't make too much money, don't step out of line, then you have a good life up here. But they don't tell you that. They don't want anyone to know that. They want people to think there's complete freedom so when they grow fat enough they can come take anything and everything they can get there hands on. I shouldn't even be saying any of this as it's risky to even get into this kind of conversation but whatever. They've shown me there hand already. I just wish I would have gotten a job like everyone else, got in line, kept my head down, don't do anything out of line. But not everyone is made that way, some people want to be self employed. Up here that's satanic apparently.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 01:27 AM
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You've got your element on the wrong heat and you're going to burn your noodle(s) If you've got your head screwed on straight, life in Canada is as easy as you're gonna get. Go and dance in Greece, Spain, Ireland etc if you feel you're getting screwed here.You come across to me as a person who's had personal differences with the system and here's the place to get back with a misdirected rant.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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You have given up your right to own guns . You are further along in the NWO than we are . People are coming to the USA to get medical because your Socialized Medicine doesn't work for them .


Remember all those times Ron Paul was blatantly cut off, censored, and drowned out by every single MSM outlet while they paraded around the hand-picked Mitt Romney? That was complete control and domination.

The United States takeover is near completion, the last remaining hurdle is to disarm the population. If that doesn't work, they're going to seal the borders and kill Americans through starvation and battle. They're going to create "safe zones" where people can flock to only if they hand in their weapons and accept being RFID chipped.

An empty stomach will gladly accept the NWO, and the elite know it. This is why they will not let anyone plant a garden or be self sufficient.
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by Cosmic911
 


You think it's that good up here? ha ha. Well you don't have a clue. Lets just put it this way, living up here I'm too scare to write what I'd like to tell you about how things work up here. It's far to risky for me to do that. Lets just say if you're up here keep your head down. Don't make any waves. If you work here just get a job thats' it. Keep your head down. They actually teach us this in grade 2. Like okay everyone in the class put your head down on your desk we're all gonna take a nap. Yes keep your head down, wish I would have remembered that lesson. Dont' stir the pot. Or you'll attract the attention of entities that will ruine your life. No that rosey picture you've seen, I've heard that a million times. It's brainwashing. If you only knew, again I can't say what really goes on. Keep it vague as it's too risky otherwise.



Are they listening to us right now? I hope I haven't placed any of us at risk? Maybe the mods could erase this entire thread before any of these "entities" become aware of it? What have I done? And dude, don't look now, but there is a giant shark in the water. Right in front of you!
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by r2d246
You think it's that good up here? ha ha. Well you don't have a clue. Lets just put it this way, living up here I'm too scare to write what I'd like to tell you about how things work up here.


Are they listening to us right now? I hope I haven't placed any of us at risk? Maybe the mods could erase this entire thread before any of these "entities" become aware of it?
I would suggest that the poster has gone through some disturbing events, and is better heard out than dismissed. That would be the Canadian way, eh?



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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What a load of crap. Sure we are in a better position than the states, but we are still running towards a cliff at full tilt. 1st place or 2nd doesn't really make a difference.

I'm Canadian and we aren't doing anything right.

No bailouts? That's also a BOLD FACED LIE.

Our government are just as big of scumbags as yours are and the only reason they haven't decimated Canada as much as America is because our system was set up with a little bit mroe care and it's taken longer for them to erode the protections that exist.

~Tenth



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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What a load of crap. Sure we are in a better position than the states, but we are still running towards a cliff at full tilt. 1st place or 2nd doesn't really make a difference.

I'm Canadian and we aren't doing anything right.

No bailouts? That's also a BOLD FACED LIE.

Our government are just as big of scumbags as yours are and the only reason they haven't decimated Canada as much as America is because our system was set up with a little bit mroe care and it's taken longer for them to erode the protections that exist.

~Tenth


I can't comment because I don't live there. It's drummed up some good discussion and that was the intention of the thread. It's been interesting to hear different opinions. And yours has been very interesting. So, basically we are all screwed, is that what you're telling me? Lol. That stinks. Canada was my last hope that some country out there was looking out for its citizens. Washington certainly isn't. In fact, our political parties should just dissolve themselves because both the democrats and republicans are sticking it to us pretty good bilaterally. I can't even believe people still believe in political parties anymore. Its so naive. I enjoyed your analogy at running towards a cliff at full tilt. I'm going to steal that one! Thanks for the reply.




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