reply to post by wildtimes
TextI just would like some feedback from those who "believe" or "disbelieve", backed up by accessible resources other than the Bible or the Quran.
I'd like to hear what people who are looking into alternatives to "yes, he did" or, "no, he did not" die to contribute.
Very difficult to convince anyone to accept any religious aspect in life. All religions are a matter of faith and that faith that is established is
the foundation for belief. You have not given much information of exactly what you do believe in your church. Do you believe that John the apostle
of Jesus ever existed? If not then we can stop right there because to deny John is to deny the early church fathers who knew John and to deny the
early church fathers is to deny the truth of who started your church.
Do you believe that Josephus the Jewish historian ever lived? Of course you must believe this because his accounts of the Jews is well received by
Gentiles and Jews alike in regards to history. Josephus was born 37 CE which was several years after Jesus was said to have died. He mentioned Jesus
several times in his accounts'
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as
receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the
suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to
them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of
Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.
Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3
But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the
Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had
now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the
brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over
to be stoned.
Jewish Antiquities 20.9.1
Even at this the critics will not accept the account of Jesus and will try to destroy this account as fraud and deception just as they do the over
5,000 Greek manuscripts that are known to exist in collaborating His existence. And yet they will accept a scientist who claims the world is X
billion years old.
How do you know that Prime Minister Winston Churchill ever existed or died the way they say he died? Chances are you can not tell me that you were
there and saw him die or that he ever existed. Yet you believe the account given to you and you believe it by faith. Why? Simply because this
account was presented to you in your recent believable culture. But then those 5,000 scribes who wrote the Greek manuscripts also wrote in their
spans of believable time.
Do you have doubt when you study Roman history? As you sat in history class you accept what the professor is teaching and you believe it to be
correct. Yet some of Roman history spills over into the time of Jesus and in fact that portion of the biblical account you accept as fact. Why?
Because an outside source verifies the biblical account of that Roman history.
So in effect, your problem is that you will not accept the biblical account because it is not taught as a public fact by college professors. Now if
it were taught as a history course in your colleges then you would accept it as a fact. That is called secularism. If a professor taught the history
of the Jewish wars from Josephus you would have no doubt that what you were taught was true. But If that course was extended in his account of the
existence of Jesus you would automatically reject that portion of Josephus.
You now understand that your mind is prejudiced and that no proof would satisfy your disbelief of the resurrection. Nothing can exist as proof to you
because you reject all proof regardless of the source. There are hundreds of accounts in outside sources such as the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha by
Dr.James H.Charlesworth.volumes 1 & 2. Simply because John was called an apostle of Jesus, marks John as a insane radical according to secularists
but what if John's account was taught alone with no connection with a bible. What if John's work was taught in the same history class as Philo of
Alexandria? Would you then accept it?