U.N. Commission Calls for Legalizing Prostitution Worldwide

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by SibylofErythrae

 

If some of what you posted is your version of masculity I'm not overly impressed. And you may rest assured, I'm highly attracted to Masculine men.

This thread is kind of one-dimensional, and my views on sexuality are only a very small part of my make-up. This discussion is in the context of a single topic, on an anonymous forum, with hundreds of different view points, in a point-counterpoint format.

Surely you realize the people you are conversing with are immensely more complicated and well-rounded than what you are seeing in the context of any singular topic on ATS?

In other words....... you know you want me.

edit on 25-7-2012 by getreadyalready because: (no reason given)

My cards full up with masculine today.

reply to post by SibylofErythrae


What is happening,

I believe our governments are involved with human trafficking,
visions of the CIA exposed for soliciting prostitutes in Colombia
www.washingtonpost.com...

This is nothing new or unusual, obviously.


youtu.be...



Obama’s Treasury Department Officials Sited For Soliciting Prostitutes and Accepting Gifts….Holder’s DOJ Refused to Prosecute
scottystarnes.wordpress.com... fused-to-prosecute/

reply to post by SibylofErythrae

My cards full up with masculine today

To tell the truth, so am I! This thread was exhausting, I probably should have done a lot more real work today instead of playing on ATS. Great discussion though.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by intrepid

 

Which is more than enough reason to legalize it - even if that was the only reason. A safer environment - even if not completely safe - would be preferable

An end to women being forced into it against their will - and no more children (including boys) in it at all - hopefully

Unfortunately, while there seems to be a correlation in the reduction of reported cases of rape and legalising prostitution, in countries like the Netherlands where the sex trade is legal and regulated, there is has been, in recent years, an increase in human trafficking and particularly in the cases of children being forced into prostitution. Legalising the trade does not, it seems, guarantee an end to exploitation, and there is no guarantee that the prostitutes themselves have engaged in the trade willingly.

Perhaps there are women that become prostitutes, that make an "informed" decision to become a call girl..and can emotionally handle it without damage to thier "spirts"...but I believe they are rare.

Being the mother of a very beautiful daughter I would be beyond devestated if she ever became a prostitute. The girls that make any "real" money in this game are probably between 18 and 25....I can tell you for a fact my daughter certainly is not wise or mature enough now at age 21 to make that choice...and God knows she definately couldn't have at 18....they are still kids on many levels, thier brains aren't even fully developed.

Let's face it, very few beautiful girls with the means to go to college are going to become prostitutes, and to convince yourself these girls are "consenting" adults, and that no harm comes to them is an excuse to do the wrong thing...and to justify that this is a means to an end for them is very sad.

What is wrong with this world, we will allow our "babies" , as teenagers to make decisions to go to war and become sex workers, but hey, they are still too young to buy a beer? Kids do stupid things, especially if they don't have support from thier families, and see little opportunity and hope in thier lives.These girls are often solicited by very charismatic men that "trick" them into getting in the buisness, when you look into the porn and prostitution rings, they are fiflthy working environments, lots of drugs, booze and violence, and the girls are cohersed into doing sexual acts they are not comfortable with...lol...the stuff most women say "hell NO" to doing.

Remember guys these girls are getting paid to create an illusion, and "Pretend" to like and enjoy things that hurt them physically and emotionally. Like I said earlier, I don't think it should be illegal, but don't delude yourself into thinking that screwing kids...is an act between consenting adults...it's not......they are "barely" legal in many cases.....and you are exploting them.......I don't care how much you want to rationalize it.

As far as alternative sexual lifestyles between couples, communication is the key, from my experiences and observations, it can be a slippery slope if both people aren't willing participants, and if you have needs or fetishes that would require a non-traditional arrangement, those should be discussed way before the relationship becomes serious or you get married...saves everyone a lot of heartbreak.

reply to post by Biliverdin

You 'want' to have sex, you do not 'need' to have sex.

Is there a difference between wanting food and needing food?

Is there any difference between the need to survive as an individual and the need to survive as a species - besides immediacy? Immediacy still being a pretty relative thing

Wanting sex is not the same thing as wanting a pair of shoes

We are driven. If we would all deal more honestly with that fact - and not try to dirty it up so much - the truly dirty parts of the sex trade would be so much less

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by boncho

 

If a girl is giving out free gang bangs I don't see how it's much different than taking money for the same act.

Neither one has much self respect,
but yea, our culture is so over the self respect issue.

edit on 023131p://bWednesday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)

And all the men who sleep around must not have any self respect either too right? Human nature is human nature. I think people that like to pretend we are something we are not have littlest amount of self respect...

I am a guy by the way. In no way a feminist. But it bothers me when girls I know are treated like property, and the ones that are loose in the sheets are actually some of the smarter ones, stable and have more respect from themselves because they demand more from the people around them. Standards if you will...

reply to post by Biliverdin

You 'want' to have sex, you do not 'need' to have sex. You 'want' to have multiple partners, you do not 'need' to have multiple partners. No hardwiring, though as I have already stated, there is some social conditioning, or soft ware involved...

Men are programmed genetically to spread their seed to as many possible partners there are because it increases the chance of survival. Sorry.

Sadly, to the guys that think this isn't a problem,
One day you or your daughter may not have a choice,
One day they may force your child into prostitution,
by they,
I mean,
TPTB,

It is already happening,

How to avoid prosecution? All they have to do is legalize it.

Sickening, I am afraid for our future generations, something wicked is on the rise.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


Yes there is a difference between wanting and needing food. You need food to live, wanting too much of it though will kill you. Not the best example.

I am not dirtying up anything. I don't agree with sex being sold as a commodity, but then I am not a big fan of anything natural being assigned a value, monetary wise. And I do not believe our intelligence should be used for avoiding facing the consequences of our actions. Or for deceiving others. If someone chooses to be promiscuous because they really enjoy sex with multiple partners, fine, I have no issue with that, my only issue is the 'need' that some feel they have to try and justify those actions. Be who you are, what you are, whenever you are...but be honest about it. If you are comfortable with yourself, and are assured through honest interaction that you are hurting no-one, why justify yourself?

books.google.ca... YkanIA&hl=en#v=onepage&q=conservative%20europe%20prostitution&f=false

I'll probably take more quotes out of this book, but for now this one stands out as an important concept.

In other words, prostitution was not legalized in laisses-fair liberal states, nor was it abolished in religiously-pious theocracies. Prostitution was rationalized in states with strong safety nets already in place for vulnerable women.

reply to post by Biliverdin

Legalising the trade does not, it seems, guarantee an end to exploitation, and there is no guarantee that the prostitutes themselves have engaged in the trade willingly.

Well then, if that's true - there is some illegality involved in all their legality

In other words - they're doing it wrong

It's a brand new world - this world where we all begin to consider how we've always looked at things and then how we've always handled them. Clearly there is some room for improvement. This stuff doesn't turn on a dime - and we can't rely on the Netherlands to be the be all and end all of this little experiment. It's going to take everybody making a real effort

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Biliverdin

You 'want' to have sex, you do not 'need' to have sex. You 'want' to have multiple partners, you do not 'need' to have multiple partners. No hardwiring, though as I have already stated, there is some social conditioning, or soft ware involved...

 

Men are programmed genetically to spread their seed to as many possible partners there are because it increases the chance of survival. Sorry.

Why be sorry? I disagree. Sorry.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Biliverdin

You 'want' to have sex, you do not 'need' to have sex. You 'want' to have multiple partners, you do not 'need' to have multiple partners. No hardwiring, though as I have already stated, there is some social conditioning, or soft ware involved...

 

Men are programmed genetically to spread their seed to as many possible partners there are because it increases the chance of survival. Sorry.

I have news for you then.

Women by the same idea are programmed to dump your sorry butt if better comes along. If you ascribe this idea.

Isn't it great that you aren't just a pile of hormones.

Originally posted by Biliverdin

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Biliverdin

You 'want' to have sex, you do not 'need' to have sex. You 'want' to have multiple partners, you do not 'need' to have multiple partners. No hardwiring, though as I have already stated, there is some social conditioning, or soft ware involved...

 

Men are programmed genetically to spread their seed to as many possible partners there are because it increases the chance of survival. Sorry.

Can you explain why women have the oxytocin bonding process during labour and men have nothing similar? Or why men don't give birth, essentially why humans are not an asexual species?

(The latter kind of negating this whole argument if it were the case...)
Why be sorry? I disagree. Sorry.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Sadly, to the guys that think this isn't a problem,
One day you or your daughter may not have a choice,
One day they may force your child into prostitution,
by they,
I mean,
TPTB,

It is already happening,

How to avoid prosecution? All they have to do is legalize it.

Sickening, I am afraid for our future generations, something wicked is on the rise.

No, they won't force any child of mine into anything. Not prostitution, not medicine, not prison, not anything. Not while I'm breathing, and not after the way I raise my kids. I don't have any daughters, I have two nieces though, and I have 2 sister-in-laws, and I have 2 boys of my own. They are only 5 and 4, and already it would be difficult to force them into anything.

There are "at-risk" populations out there, and they end up being victims of the Penn State Sanduskys, and human-traffickers, and even pimps. I don't think any of us pro-prostitution folks would argue against that notion. Those at-risk populations need special attention for a lot more than just this topic though. That is a social discussion for a whole other thread.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


I think Japan was also mentioned as an example of sexual liberality, they too, have in recent years seen an increase in human trafficking and children forced into prostitution. Denmark too. I could go on. Legalising prostitution does nothing to target human sex trafficking or child prostitution. The sole purpose of legalisation, given that in many countries it is legal for an individual to profit from the sale of their own body, is to allow others to legally run brothels and therefore profit from the sale of other people's bodies.

Originally posted by boncho
Can you explain why women have the oxytocin bonding process during labour and men have nothing similar? Or why men don't give birth, essentially why humans are not an asexual species?

What does that have to do with anything? How about you show me a study that shows that men are genetically pre-programmed to spread their seed? Women bond and are biologically encouraged to bond because our young cannot fend for themselves. That has nothing to do with creating the child in the first place, so I have really no idea where you're coming from with that angle

reply to post by Biliverdin


The US has also seen a rise in human trafficking, and child slavery, even though prostitution is still illegal. I have a very good friend that works these cases for the FBI all over the nation, and I myself work on the perimeter of some of these cases.

You are equating things that don't relate. Prostitution is illegal in the US, and even where it is legal, the child prostitutes are still illegal, and long before they become prostitutes, they first have to be kidnapped.

Legalizing prostitution could not possibly make those issues any worse, and it is hoped that they will make them better.

reply to post by Biliverdin

Yes there is a difference between wanting and needing food. You need food to live, wanting too much of it though will kill you. Not the best example.

It's a perfect example - if you also consider what I said right after :-)

Pretending that sex is some arbitrary after thought that we make too much of a fuss over is part of the problem

Sex is basic - it's a need. Same as touch is a need, inclusion is a need - we are nothing but creatures of need and desire. That doesn't make us bad. The fact that we decide some needs are bad and some are good - well, that's arbitrary - but that might be a whole nuther discussion :-)

I am not dirtying up anything.

That wasn't directed towards you - it's what 'we' do

And I do not believe our intelligence should be used for avoiding facing the consequences of our actions. Or for deceiving others. If someone chooses to be promiscuous because they really enjoy sex with multiple partners, fine, I have no issue with that, my only issue is the 'need' that some feel they have to try and justify those actions. Be who you are, what you are, whenever you are...but be honest about it. If you are comfortable with yourself, and are assured through honest interaction that you are hurting no-one, why justify yourself?

Agreed - I don't think you and I have an argument here

But money for sex - if everyone involved is comfortable with that, there really isn't a problem in my opinion

Everything in life is a trade off - I know that doesn't seem very romantic. But the truth is - all of our interactions - all of our relationships are about give and take. That doesn't mean they aren't also meaningful or beautiful

At least some of the time