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U.N. Commission Calls for Legalizing Prostitution Worldwide

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by emptyOmind
i think it should be legal for adults for sure. in my opinion it would cut down on a lot of crime. supposedly a big precursor to crime is sexual tension/frustration


Do you have anything to support that notion? Other than 'supposedly'. It was my understanding that the majority of crime is driven by poverty and social inequality, and that the majority of those who engage in prostitution were in it for the money at some level at least. Unless you are equating boredom or lack of employment options as being the same as sexual tension, I would have to assume that you are being intentionally ridiculous.




posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by Dhimmie
How do you know it isn't about sex and power and control are used to achieve this. Without sex, it isn't rape so of course it is about sex to some degree.


I can understand your confusion, but sex is the means of expressing the power and control, or more simply, the weapon of choice in the perpetrators expression of their aggression. More often than not, the rapist does not ejaculate, no sexual gratification, or sexual release is even achieved, the gratification (and arousal) comes from the empowerment that comes from terrorising or having a person under your control, or as a means of inflicting violence against.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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Lets be honest here.... legalising Prostitution would benefit everyone really... cleaner environments, prostitutes wouldnt be walking the streets and risking death, you'd get proper security....

And if you look at the Internet Dating thing... thats sort of similar to Prostitution.... you pay for the service to browse and chat... in fact online services are worse because most of the time the paying customer is being ripped off due to fake profiles!



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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I don’t agree with this one bit! It’s wrong!!!
To them saying they agree with this if you have a daughter would you like her to sell her body for sex its disgusting!
Instead of the government spending money to help them out of prostitution they want to allow it and make money out of it by probably taxing them.
WTF!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by ototheb85
Instead of the government spending money to help them out of prostitution they want to allow it and make money out of it by probably taxing them.


I have to admit I have no strong feelings about the issue one way or another...but you make a very strong point.

Legalising prostitution is in itself no protection for those undertaking it, merely a means of controlling and legitimising the revenues.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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I don't know what to say about this one, I'm in a stupor. On one hand if prostitution is legal it would cause the price for sex to drop sharply and it would be available to all classes. Maybe it would put an end to the increase in rape or maybe it would make rapes more common for those who don't desire to have sex. Either way, minimum age regulations should be strictly enforced. I'd have to go with historical insight on this one and say it is not good. I was not around to see the complications that developed. A husband could spend all the money on prostitutes and his kids could be starving. Why a woman would marry a person like this is beyond me. Marriage should be for sensible people. A person who dates a popular person has to expect they will want to remain popular. A person who marries a promiscuous person should remember that this behavior may someday reemerge. That is something that just needs to be understood and discussed prior to commitment. This doesn't mean a hooker couldn't be a good and loyal choice for a partner though. People tire of that life.

I have never seen a problem with prostitution myself, I have seen some problems with some of the prostitutes though. Some are dishonest and they degrade the industry. Many of the prostitutes I've met over the years were good people and are actually easy to get along with. I'd trust them more than a congressman. I have never went out with a prostitute but have talked to many of them throughout my life. Many I talked to were fun loving people while others are all business. The fun loving ones naturally attracted guys while the business like ones made it seem like a business deal. I prefer to keep myself as an equal to all people. I do not judge others except by their truthfullness and honesty.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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It looks like arguing my point with you folks that trust completely in TV and so-called experts on the issue of rape is pointless, but I would like to point out that the roller coaster and kidnapping scenarios were not mine, I incorporated those from one of the rebuttal responses that was agreeing with you. I was making fun of those scenarios.

Otherwise, you're free to believe what you believe, even if it is wrong.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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What's funny is how people bring up morality in debates like this, as if that somehow plays a part in whether something should be legalized by our government. Something being lawful isn't the same as it being moral, because ultimately, morality cannot be qualified, it's purely subjective.

And as for HIV rates, they are rising due to lack of education, poverty and discriminatory beliefs against citizens with HIV. Sex work, for obvious reasons, will make a person more susceptible but generally sex workers are forced to undergo quite rigorous tests before actually copulating with whatever individual buys them, because infecting a person with HIV is a legal offense, and whatever escort service that employs a sex worker that has HIV will be sued and risk being forced out of commission as a result.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by Biliverdin

Originally posted by Dhimmie
How do you know it isn't about sex and power and control are used to achieve this. Without sex, it isn't rape so of course it is about sex to some degree.


I can understand your confusion, but sex is the means of expressing the power and control, or more simply, the weapon of choice in the perpetrators expression of their aggression. More often than not, the rapist does not ejaculate, no sexual gratification, or sexual release is even achieved, the gratification (and arousal) comes from the empowerment that comes from terrorising or having a person under your control, or as a means of inflicting violence against.


That is another complete fabrication for TV shows, and a few so-called "experts" out there in the field.

"More often than not?" NO. Rapists almost always ejaculate. There are surely a few seriel rapists out there with major psychological issues that may not ejaculate, but the vast majority of rapes 90% or more of rapes, are crimes of opportunity, where a horny guy takes advantage of a female in a compromising position, and he will ALWAYS ejaculate unless he is interrupted before it gets that far.

For the ones that do not ejaculate, it isn't because the act isn't sexual, it is usually because of the stress and distraction of getting caught, combined with the feeling of guilt, and the feeling of it not being nearly as satisfying as they had imagined because the girl isn't into it.

These theories on rape really annoy me. I'm not blaming you, these are the mainstream theories, but they are so off-based, I have to really wonder who the hell they are interviewing to publish these theories? It certainly is not your run of the mill rapist responsible for 99% of the rapes out there. They must just be talking to those particular psychos locked up for life after repeat offenses, but we all know most rapes go unreported, and the ones that are reported rarely result in trials or fail time, so they need to be talking to those guys that are NOT in jail if they want to get the real reasons for rape.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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Thailand.... Decriminalized and the areas are complete #holes again

Vegas...... Relatively legal.... Areas = #holes again


Amsterdam is a tourist spot, the bad areas are bad because of repressed tourists acting stupid. I've never been, but my friends that live in the Netherlands say there are not any problems with drugs or prostitution from the residents, they are mostly from the tourists. Also, Amsterdam is not representative of the rest of the Netherlands.

The same can be said for Vegas. Prostitution is actually illegal in Vegas, and they have tons of crimes because of it. The rest of Nevada it is legal, and they do not have the same issues. Go look at the video posted earlier from John Stossel at the Bunny Ranch. Vegas is not representative of the whole of Nevada, and prostitution is not even legal in Vegas.

Thailand? Thailand? The home of selling your little sister for peanuts? Prostitution is not the issue in Thailand, it was a shyte hole anyway, and we're not talking about regular prostitution, we're talking about extreme child rape. People travel from all over the world to have sex with 11 and 12 year olds, that is not just prostitution, that is something totally different.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
Sure, there is a bit of a power and control angle, but it was MAINLY about pleasuring himself at her expense. He already had complete power and control over the young girls, but he wanted SEX!


You may not understand the element of control, but it is certainly central in both the examples that you provide. You're assuming that because he was aroused that he wanted sex, instead of comprehending that it is having control that is causing the arousal, not anticipation of sexual stimulation. It is a subtle difference, sex the consequence, not the objective.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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is UN GOOD or EVIL organization? Are they part of NWO agenda? Are they anonymous?



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
These theories on rape really annoy me. I'm not blaming you, these are the mainstream theories, but they are so off-based, I have to really wonder who the hell they are interviewing to publish these theories? It certainly is not your run of the mill rapist responsible for 99% of the rapes out there. They must just be talking to those particular psychos locked up for life after repeat offenses, but we all know most rapes go unreported, and the ones that are reported rarely result in trials or fail time, so they need to be talking to those guys that are NOT in jail if they want to get the real reasons for rape.


I agree that stranger rapes are different than date rapes, and that stranger rapes make up a very small proportion of rapes. I would also agree that some date rapes are the result of confused notions of consent and yes, they usually are about gratification. But a victim is quite capable of knowing whether his or her rapist ejaculated or not, so whether they were caught or not, is irrelevent.

ETA...interestingly, just reading up on the current research into ejaculation and rape, and though it is true that few men will ejaculate during sexual intercourse, that ejaculation, by masturbating over the victim, especially in the face, is, like urinating, quite common as a means of further humiliating their victim.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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I would also agree that some date rapes are the result of confused notions of consent and yes, they usually are about gratification. But a victim is quite capable of knowing whether his or her rapist ejaculated or not, so whether they were caught or not, is irrelevent.


I'm glad you are reasonable enough to see that, but it goes even further. These types of rapes are vastly unreported, and they make up many, many more times the number of rapes than the ones reported. The statistics are not even close to portraying the actual environment.

And I'm not talking about date rape (which I have a hard time believing is rape), or confused notions of consent, I'm talking about almost stranger rape. Rape at a party by a distant acquaintance or even stranger, rape by a co-worker or a male that is related to you or a friend of yours. I know several women raped by their friend's fathers and they never told anyone because they didn't want to hurt their friend's family. Men who are sexually attracted to females, and have some type of access to the female so they can forcibly take, or demand sex, become gratified, and then talk to them afterwards like the whole thing was consensual. It was solely about rape and sex, but it never gets reported to police, it doesn't make any of the statistics, it isn't date rape, it isn't a confused notion of consent, it is pure ol' forcible rape, and it doesn't get reported.

Like I said, I have NEVER asked a woman about this subject that didn't have at least 1, usually multiple stories of being a victim of it.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
And I'm not talking about date rape (which I have a hard time believing is rape), or confused notions of consent, I'm talking about almost stranger rape. Rape at a party by a distant acquaintance or even stranger, rape by a co-worker or a male that is related to you or a friend of yours. I know several women raped by their friend's fathers and they never told anyone because they didn't want to hurt their friend's family. Men who are sexually attracted to females, and have some type of access to the female so they can forcibly take, or demand sex, become gratified, and then talk to them afterwards like the whole thing was consensual. It was solely about rape and sex, but it never gets reported to police, it doesn't make any of the statistics, it isn't date rape, it isn't a confused notion of consent, it is pure ol' forcible rape, and it doesn't get reported.

Like I said, I have NEVER asked a woman about this subject that didn't have at least 1, usually multiple stories of being a victim of it.


If they can get sex in other ways, why take it by force. Can you not understand that these men are gratified not by the sex, but by the situation. The control of knowing that that person will not tell. It is subtle, but it is as clear as day.

And, while they may not report it to authorities, rape counselling and victim support networks are a valuable source of compiled information and understanding patterns of behaviour. A 'normal' person does not need to force sex, or would even become aroused by doing so. It is the manipulation and coercion that they are finding arousing here, on a psycho-sexual level. They may justify it however or whichever way they want to, but there is a very clear difference between becoming aroused as a result of sexual stimulation, than becoming aroused by someone's sexual vulnerability.
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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It isn't about the power and control, it is about sex with someone they haven't had sex with before. Just because you can get sex from other people, or other ways does not satisfy the need to have sex with that specific person. A co-worker, neighbor, friend's daughter, etc. The men that rape these women have an almost uncontrollable urge to have sex with that specific person, and they'll fantacize about it, plan it, run through a million scenarios where they can get away with it, justifity it to themselves, until they get the nerve to actually do it, and once they are satisfied sexually, they regret it, they realize the harm they've done, and the risk they took, and they try to cover it up, they try to pretend it didn't happen, they try to deflect the blame to the victim.

I'm not denying that some rapes are about control, but they are slim in number compared to the ones that are solely about sex. If they could get the sex consensually, they would LOVE that, but if they can't they'll take it by force, because they want the sex, not because they want the control.

Also, you mentioned earlier that they are first aroused by the control, and then they take the sex, but that is just so far off base. These men are aroused days, weeks, months in advance fantacizing about sex with the other person, not control. They would love for the other party to initiate the sex and it be completely consensual, they obsess over it, and then eventually they find a way to take it by force or coercion, but it was never about the force, just the sex. They are first aroused by the sexual attraction, the control is just a necessary means to an end in most cases.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
These men are aroused days, weeks, months in advance fantacizing about sex with the other person, not control. They would love for the other party to initiate the sex and it be completely consensual, they obsess over it, and then eventually they find a way to take it by force or coercion, but it was never about the force, just the sex. They are first aroused by the sexual attraction, the control is just a necessary means to an end in most cases.


But you see, right there, you're saying it yourself, it is object orientated, with the object being personified...arousal and gratification is not as a result of sexual stimulation. Don't you see? You're just stumbling over the term control, that is fine, dump it. The point is that the sexual gratification is not achieved by the sex act. Why, if that person is so attractive to that person, does the 'rapist' not simply woo the victim, seduce them? Isn't that what a person would normally do? Why, because the victim is not a person, but an object. And, usually, because that object fails to satisfy the fantasy, they will move on to another person on which to project that fantasy and begin the process again. Why fixate on the 'unavailable' in the first place, if not because they want force or coercion to take place? Surely, you can see this...


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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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Why fixate on the 'unavailable' in the first place, if not because they want force or coercion to take place? Surely, you can see this...



Because men are hard-wired to want to reproduce with all of the viable women.

I have a bug zapper in my backyard, I have to change the UV light every month or so, because the bugs lose their sexual attraction to it. People have entire collections of porn they don't look at or watch, because after 2 or 3 viewings, it loses its stimulation. Men cheat on supermodels and porn stars! We want what we haven't already had, or what we can't get, or what prances by us day after day and we haven't had yet.

Of course it is objectivism. We don't want to marry and emotionally support every woman we meet, we just want to have sex with them 2 or 3 times and then move on to the next.

BUT, this is not about power or control. Men (even rapists), don't typically care about the means to the sex. Is it dinner and a movie, being nice to their dog or fat friend, buying drugs or alcohol, paying their rent and electric bill, or using some sort of position or coercion to get the sex, and then regretting or covering it up afterwards.

The power and control angle is completely destroyed when we look at child abuse, molestation, sexual harassment in the workplace, healthcare professionals taking advantage of helpless patients without their knowledge, etc. Those people already have complete power and control, but they still want sex. It is about sex, not control.

The control angle makes more sense in a co-dependent, or abusive relationship than it does in a rape situation. In a relationship often times one or both partners get their kicks out of controlling and manipulating the acts of their partner in all manners, not just sex. In fact, the sex often goes away completely, and the ego and control manifests in dozens of other ways. Control is something entirely different than sex, and rape, by its very definition, is about sex.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Why fixate on the 'unavailable' in the first place, if not because they want force or coercion to take place? Surely, you can see this...



Because men are hard-wired to want to reproduce with all of the viable women.



That tired excuse


You do realise that there is absolutely no evidence to support such an assertion. Quite the contrary in fact. Men make choices, just as women do. The remainder of your arguments equally lack any rationale, and I can only gather at this point that you are justifying your own behaviour. Excuses are just that, they are neither reasons or reasonable arguments from a species as intelligent as our own, but, whatever helps you sleep at night.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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The only reason I go to work is the money too. I wouldn't be doing it if they didn't pay me. And my work is sometimes fun, sometimes disgusting, and it doesn't pay nearly the hourly rate that prostitution pays.

We're all prostitutes in that regard.

They pay me for my time, to do their will and bidding. Its up to me whether I enjoy or not, and whether I continue to do it or not. And I work for the government, in comparison to prostitution, I'm a street walker, not a Bunny Ranch.
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Well logics and perceptions can be applied selectively to pretty much anything in life both to inspire positively or negatively. We do live in a society after all and do consider our self as part of the civlization. The fabric of our societies are based upon how people perceive their lives and co-exist. If one certainly wishes to deviate and perceive their profession to be equivalent to a prostitute then they can certainly do so. Nothing is stopping them except the flow which is much stronger in the opposite direction.



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