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James Holmes was Studying Temporal Illusions, or the Ability to "Change the Past"... or was he?

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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Bilk22
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I started a thread regarding the idea that he was conducting some form of experiment in perception, a rather sick one, where he was not actually part of the shooting, but instead made himself appear to be through allusion. He'll have corroborating witnesses that place him somewhere else during the shooting. He then parked outside the theater near the exit, with equipment identical to that used in the crime. The actual shooter vanished before police arrived.

His hair is colored red and he was wearing all red so that he could be easily remembered. I won't be surprised to hear a report that some guy was in a nearby 7-11 or somewhere, at the time of the shooting, that fit his description. I just have some odd feeling the police are following all sorts of leads down a rabbit hole.

I guess we'll have to wait to hear more. He has not yet been formally charged, which is quite odd if they have incontrovertible evidence.


I'm all over that and wouldn't be surprised in the least.

But there is still something amiss with his behavior. The only exception would be if he was given something by the authorities before his court appearance, as opposed to his apparent bizarre demeanor having not been the result of being drugged before his appearance.




posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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the thing about writing is that its not an efficient way to communicate complex ideas. this topic requires direct experience to grasp and even then it may not enough.

i think the appearance of both Damascus and Jerusalem in prophecy illustrates that the fate of the two cities are linked.

Abraham was at both, Eliezer of Damascus was Abraham's assistant. Abraham was said to have had two sons; associated with two different destiny's.

Damascus may well be the power that currently controls the Temple Mount in Jerusalem...its a web.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by stupid girl

Originally posted by Bilk22
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I started a thread regarding the idea that he was conducting some form of experiment in perception, a rather sick one, where he was not actually part of the shooting, but instead made himself appear to be through allusion. He'll have corroborating witnesses that place him somewhere else during the shooting. He then parked outside the theater near the exit, with equipment identical to that used in the crime. The actual shooter vanished before police arrived.

His hair is colored red and he was wearing all red so that he could be easily remembered. I won't be surprised to hear a report that some guy was in a nearby 7-11 or somewhere, at the time of the shooting, that fit his description. I just have some odd feeling the police are following all sorts of leads down a rabbit hole.

I guess we'll have to wait to hear more. He has not yet been formally charged, which is quite odd if they have incontrovertible evidence.


I'm all over that and wouldn't be surprised in the least.

But there is still something amiss with his behavior. The only exception would be if he was given something by the authorities before his court appearance, as opposed to his apparent bizarre demeanor having not been the result of being drugged before his appearance.


Well his actions in court are all part of the act. He's showing no emotion which is what I would expect. He almost appears bored with the proceeding, as if he knows there's nothing for them to charge him with. But time will tell I guess.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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you think they have nothing to charge him with?

lets say there is a Phantom "real" shooter and they don't charge him with murder....even though the the gloves he was wearing are probably covered in evidence after firing his weapons over 70 times.

who wired up his apartment to explode? is he going to claim to not have lived there? why is his DNA all over the place?

its quite obviously him...who did what he's accused of.

at this point his only hope of waking away from this is if someone can find the control panel of this world and make a change in his favor; outside of that...there is no hope for him.

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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by michaelbrux
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you think they have nothing to charge him with?

lets say there is a Phantom "real" shooter and they don't charge him with murder....even though the the gloves he was wearing are probably covered in evidence after firing his weapons over 70 times.

who wired up his apartment to explode? is he going to claim to not have lived there? why is his DNA all over the place?

its quite obviously him...who did what he's accused of.

at this point his only hope of waking away from this is if someone can find the control panel of this world and make a change in his favor; outside of that...there is no hope for him.

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That was covered in my thread. Possible defense What if there was another person outfitted the same way, with the same weapons? What if they find all of the ammo he bought over the months prior, was still all there? How about finding that his guns were never discharged or that the ballistics don't match? If this is to be an illusion, that's what the evidence will show. He will have no forensics tied to him. Well that's my conspiracy until proven otherwise



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Of course they are linked, all the religions say they are!

What I am getting at is that you are attempting to say that the future is being changed with events concerning Damascus, when the events you are saying are being changed happen to already have been prophesied, therefore how can they be being changed?

that is my point.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Prophecy is meant to tell the future just as history is meant to tell the past. To veer away from prophecy is just as crazy of a timeline shift as the past changing before our eyes. It would lead us into new territory unforeseen by anyone in the traditional power structure. However, it could still be done.

It could also represent this - based on what I have been hearing, we are approaching a time period where there are going to be two realities. Some of us are going to break free and enter the higher frequency, while some of us are going to remain in the lower frequency. It could be that Damascus and Jerusalem are each tied to one of the frequencies. If this is the case, then the timeline split started to happen sometime in the past 5 years or so, I would say.

Anyway, I really dig what Michael is saying, I want to hear more.
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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like i said, writing is inefficient at explaining complex concepts and doubly so when its me writing.

James Holmes was on a different path until just recently; he was attempting to change one past, his enemies, failed, and changed his own future; and other details of his situation suggests he had no other choice but to go through with it; win or lose. or perhaps, he had no future and wanted to create one.

his actions appear to have been a military operation of sorts...the kind of thing Knights do and it must have had additional moving parts than the one we are reading about. that's why he has so much support despite the brutality of his actions.

.this whole thing is linked to Bashir Assad...who is probably playing both sides in the conflict he's artificially created in his own country; following a style to what Gaddafi and others attempted over the last decade or so.

The attack in Bulgaria against Israeli's, the attack against the Defense Minister and other high ranking officials in Syria, Lemaricus Davidson being sentenced to death and the James Holmes attack are related to Assad attempting to avoid something only he knows about.

but the past they are trying to change...if I had to take a specific guess...would be January 16, 2007. Something must have happened that day that will determine what will happen this coming Sunday.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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I just did some research, and apparently the destruction of Damascus happens before a multi-national attack on Israel that starts the Gog-Magog war. I hadn't heard of this prophecy before now, though. A lot of what you are saying makes sense, though, Michael.
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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and didn't Muhammed have Red Hair?

the symbolism in this event is deliberate and obvious.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Damascus is the supplanter of Jerusalem in prophecy.

When Abram has grown old, he complains to God in Genesis 15 that his servant "Eliazar of Damascus" will inherit everything Abram owns.

Eliazar is rendered in Greek as "Lazarus."

And Saul/Paul was "on the road to Damascus" when he was converted to Christianity by a personal vision that definitely changed the time-stream...

The House of Assad are members of the pan-arab "Ba'ath Party", the same as Saddam Hussein. Ba'ath is pan-Arabic, but socialist in contrast to the islamist idea of the Calipha. Syria is the last outpost of Ba'athism, and is being swept away by a resurgence of Arab Islamism.

"The Fall of Damascus" is a repeating trope throughout history, marking the "end of the age" for a particular empire or people.

After the death of Alexander in BC 323, to rival dynasties (Seleucid and Ptolemaic) fought to make Damascus the capitol of their respective empires. Damascus fell to the Seleucid, while the Ptolemaic was forced to retreat to Egypt.

The fall of Damascus in AD 634 represented the first incursion of expansionist Islam into what we call the Byzantine Empire.

In AD 1135 the crusaders laid siege to Damascus. The Sunni inhabitants rose up and slaughtered the Isma'ili (shi'ite) faction, based on a rumor that the Isma'ili were planning to open the gates and cut a deal with the Christians.

Likewise in 1860, the Christian inhabitants were slaughtered after fighting broke out between Maronite Christians and Druze in the mountains above the city.

The goal of T.E. Lawrence ( the famed British intelligence officer, "Lawrence of Arabia") was to raise an Arab army to topple the Ottoman Empire. His immediate objective was....the Fall of Damascus. As it happened, three invading forces entered Damascus on the same day; British, French, and Arab.



One of the talking points of the current White House is that "home-grown terrorists," rather than Islamic Jihadists, art the true threat to the U.S. Holmes' acts will be a powerful argument that the White House is correct.

"Homegrown Terror" is connected with July 20-21, not only because of this year's attack in Colorado; the same day was "Black Friday" in Ireland 1972, when the IRA set off 22 bombs across the region, leaving 8 dead and scores wounded. July 20-21 is also the anniversary of the Stauffenberg nearly-successful plot to assassinate Hitler, followed by the purge of German high command by multiple executions the next day.

Homegrown terror and the Fall of Damascus...

The fall of Damascus repeatedly marks the end of someone's imperial dream. Of course, we haven't seen the fall of Damascus---we are merely on the road to Damascus.

Jeremiah 49 prophesies this way about he Fall of Damascus:




Hamath and Arpad are confounded, for they have heard bad news;
they melt in fear, they are troubled like the sea that cannot be quiet.
Damascus has become feeble, she turned to flee,
and panic seized her; anguish and sorrows have taken hold of her, as of a woman in labor.

How the famous city is forsaken, the joyful town!
Therefore her young men shall fall in her squares,
and all her soldiers shall be destroyed on that day,
says the Lord of hosts.
And I will kindle a fire at the wall of Damascus,
and it shall devour the strongholds of Ben-hadad.


Enjoy.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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What happened on January 16, 2007...
Just as I expected, Obama decided to run for office
That guy is a walking timeline shifter. No joke on that...
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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and January 16, 2007 and Saturday, July 28 are separated by exactly 2020 days; i've seen this number associated with several well know events, including the day Katrina arrived in New Orleans and the Japan Tsunami.

perhaps...someone else has observed such anomalies of time and exploits them to attempt to manufacture their own futures.

if James Holmes had been successful, perhaps Barack Obama never runs for President and we all wake up in an alternate reality.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Not sure about that but I DO know King David did and so did Alexandria The Great - and King William 1st



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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or maybe Holmes was trying to identify with Ronald McDonald or just clowns in general.

but someone is definitely working overtime trying to change Time and jump us all to a reality of their own creation.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Poor humour at it's best

Jeez, I hope to God most of you are not on jury service for this case.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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he's not going to be tried for time manipulation.

he's going to be tried for shooting 70 people.

while fair trials are apart of the American system and his will probably have a change of venue as is common in these types of cases, the idea that every trial in this country are toss ups and anything can happen is stupid.

how difficult do you think it will be to match the bullets in the bodies of the victims to the gun they were shot from?

how hard to link the gun with its owner?

if the bullets don't match and/or the gun is not linked to holmes maybe he'll walk...but the idea that nobody knows what happened is nuts and takes the whole situation a bit far.

if the defense for this guy is that someone asked him to hold a weapon they'd just fired at 70 people and fled into the darkness, the case will probably be thrown out for incompetence.

it should be better than that.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Just to keep to the topic, as it is related to scientific theory rather than another religious explanation,perhaps I can share some thoughts.

The OP was right to leave no stone unturned, and James being a neuroscience genius, may had been conducting an experiment, ill advised, and most certainly beyond his or any mortal's limited understanding.

What the 2 theoratical physcists mentioned in their research are mainly in time frames of nanoseconds of quantum theory type change, not full real time change which would have meant time travel - to change the past or future.

It may be possible one day when we mankind fully comprehend the use and how to manipulate the Higgs Boson field that surrounds us everyday, through the interaction with electrical currents generated by our minds and bodies, to alter the perceptions of time and space.

Unfortunately, we are FAR FAR from even a glimpse of such theories being even possible with our current state of knowledge.

James probably thought that he was a genius, and deludedly thought so, that he was onto a new discovery - he could change time and space, not just with simply lab experiments, but on a larger scale, and resulted in tragic consequences for many.

Far from such esotheric research, he only reminds me more of a kid in a schoolyard trying to stop other kids from using the swing on the playground, by beating them up. The Dark Knight Rises may had been a symbolism to him, something he hopes others may not get to see or know whatever message was in that film, and killing the audience is the way to do it.

As yet, we still do not know what were his true motivations, and are only speculating. Best to wait for the investigations to make clear, and may lawyers for once stop lying or making up excuses for their clients. The world needs to know the truth, so that motivations by other HumanSlayers can be eradicated or identified earlier, and tragedies prevented from ever happening again.
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posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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I disagree.

The world is NOT far from the ability to seemingly alter time or jump us to alternate realities.

the knowledge has been militarized or either way kept far, far away from common knowledge.

Many attempts have been made by various groups over the last few years to achieve in fact what this person is obviously a part of; not as a mastermind but as a participant.

every time someone comes to this site and posts that Ron Paul could possibly be the Republican nominee for President of the United States, they get dropped into a basket of names of potential suspects; the reason is because that outcome would only be possible in an time line change.

every time a someone suggests the existence of a second, phantom, shooter at the Theater, they are attempting to get other posters to create an alternate reality...one not based in reality.

James Holmes isn't the only person that has studied that topic, but he will make an excellent research subject and case study for people wanting to better understand the nature of reality, the people that attempt to undermine it and the people that work to preserve and organic reality.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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You had me at Quantum Psychology. I found this book, Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson which seems to be as good a starting point as any on the subject.

I'll get back to you on this once I find out exactly what quantum psychology is.

I was desperately looking for a new book to start. Thanks!!!









 
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