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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread. Although the main factor of why there are attrocities happening in Burma is the cause of the murders done, or condone by the state/government of Burma, which is a socialist/communist nation.



Don't be disingenuous. You have purposefully attempted to derail the thread and turn it into an "evil socialist/communist" rant.

You carrying on in this way is as bad as those carrying on about all muslims being terrorists/rapists/whatever.

Generalising, stereotyping dribble. Bad form




posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Again , NO comments


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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Although you are partially right you have to remember that ATHEISM has also been the cause of the murder of millions of people.


Those people were not killed in the NAME of Atheism, they were simply governments/ rulers whom didn't adhere to a mainstream religion.

In some ways I agree that the Nazi party did have substantially socialist elements (e.g. Volkswagon) and public attitudes but surely you cannot state the the fundamental reason for atrocities during the third Reich are due to the 'socialist' parts of the rulers/ government?

I'm a little confused by your seeming vendetta against socialism no matter how small, tenuous or genuine it's form may be. It is hardly a neutral stance! (Which I'm not saying having by itself is a bad thing necessarily). I realise that this appears to be a defence of your religion but you are so vociferous that you at times begin to appear like some Mccarthy protégé.

Not quite sure why you have decided that an attack on the negatives of socialism was what was required for this thread. It simply becomes hard to read your posts without your agenda screaming at you regardless of subject matter. I really don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, I simply find it unsettling when someone has such a strong agenda against a relatively mild political outlook.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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I would like to know if the Muslim religion played a big part with all this scientific wonders that the Muslims did or was it just the people of that area that did it and not because of their religion. Surely if the people of those regions were of another religion I am sure that the same discoveries would have been made. Outside of the Christian religion that is.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2209

Don't be disingenuous. You have purposefully attempted to derail the thread and turn it into an "evil socialist/communist" rant.

You carrying on in this way is as bad as those carrying on about all muslims being terrorists/rapists/whatever.

Generalising, stereotyping dribble. Bad form


Do you even know what sort of government has existed in Burma?... These attrocities are happening in Burma right?...

Let's see what even wikipedia has to say about Burma shall we?...


Burma
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On 2 March 1962, the military led by General Ne Win took control of Burma through a coup d'état and the government has been under direct or indirect control by the military since then. Between 1962 and 1974, Burma was ruled by a revolutionary council headed by the general, and almost all aspects of society (business, media, production) were nationalized or brought under government control under the Burmese Way to Socialism(44) which combined Soviet-style nationalisation and central planning with the governmental implementation of superstitious beliefs.[citation needed] A new constitution of the Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma was adopted in 1974, until 1988, the country was ruled as a one-party system, with the General and other military officers resigning and ruling through the Burma Socialist Programme Party (BSPP).(45) During this period, Burma became one of the world's most impoverished countries.
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SPDC rule (1988–2011)
In 1988, unrest over economic mismanagement and political oppression by the government led to widespread pro-democracy demonstrations throughout the country known as the 8888 Uprising. Security forces killed thousands of demonstrators, and General Saw Maung staged a coup d'état and formed the State Law and Order Restoration Council (SLORC). In 1989, SLORC declared martial law after widespread protests. The military government finalised plans for People's Assembly elections on 31 May 1989.(47) SLORC changed the country's official English name from the "Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma" to the "Union of Myanmar" in 1989.

In May 1990, the government held free elections for the first time in almost 30 years and the National League for Democracy (NLD), the party of Aung San Suu Kyi, won 392 out of a total 489 seats (i.e., 80% of the seats). However, the military junta refused to cede power(48) and continued to rule the nation as SLORC until 1997, and then as the State Peace and Development Council (SPDC) until its dissolution in March 2011.
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en.wikipedia.org...

Burma has been a socialist/communist nation since 1962 until at least March of 2011.

So are you going to CLAIM now that the fact that Burma has been socialist/communist is not the reason for the government to murder who know how many people?....

BTW, in the following excerpt you can also read that the Buddhists did cause an uprise AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT in 2007. Why would the government of Burma be helping Buddhists if Buddhists have been against the repressive regime of Burma?...


2007 Burmese anti-government protest

Main article: 2007 Burmese anti-government protests

In August 2007, an increase in the price of diesel and petrol led to a series of anti-government protests that were dealt with harshly by the government.(50) The protests then became a campaign of civil resistance (also called the Saffron Revolution.[51][52])[53] led by Buddhist monks,[54] hundreds of whom defied the house arrest of democracy advocate Aung San Suu Kyi to pay their respects at the gate of her house. The government finally cracked down on them on 26 September 2007. The crackdown was harsh, with reports of barricades at the Shwedagon Pagoda and monks killed. However, there were also rumours of disagreement within the Burmese armed forces, but none was confirmed.
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en.wikipedia.org...

The Buddhist monks joined in and led the protests when they became a "campaign of civil resistance" against the Burmese government. Why would the Burmese government help the Buddhists?...

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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The dictator you don't know about





Gov’t will not recognise Rohingya: "Thein Sein"

Burma’s President Thein Sein told a visiting delegation from the United Nation’s High Commissioner for Refugees that the government will not recognize the Rohingya and are considering handing over the ethnic group to the UNHCR, reported a government website today.

The delegation led by Antonio Guterres met with the president on 11 July when the leader clarified his position on the Muslim minority group, reported the presidential office’s website.

The president told the visiting delegation that the 800,000 strong group “posed a threat to national security”.

According to the site, Thein sein alleged that the “Bengalis were brought into Burma to work as farmhands by the English colonialists before the [country’s] independence in 1948”.

The president then asserted that in accordance with Burmese Law, only a third generation [immigrant] descended from those who came into Burma before 1948 are recognised as a citizen.

“Burma will take responsibility for its ethnic nationalities but it is not at all possible to recognise the illegal border-crossing Rohingyas who are not an ethnic [group] in Burma,” said Thein Sein according to his office’s website.

As a last resort, the president said the government is prepared to hand over the Rohingyas to the UNHCR and would set up refugee camps for the group before they were eventually settled in any third country “that are willing to take them”.

Rioting in Arakan state has left almost 100 dead according to official tallies and displaced nearly 90,000 people. Last week, Human Rights Watch published a report claiming that Burmese security forces systematically abused the stateless Rohingya group after sectarian violence flared in northern Arakan state in June.

The UN views the Rohingya as one of the most persecuted minority groups in the world, while a majority of the Burmese populace views them as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.











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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by happyzodiac
reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786
 


I would like to know if the Muslim religion played a big part with all this scientific wonders that the Muslims did or was it just the people of that area that did it and not because of their religion. Surely if the people of those regions were of another religion I am sure that the same discoveries would have been made. Outside of the Christian religion that is.


You didn't read the facts that I excerpted about the Assyrian Christians?...

A lot of people don't know that there were different branches of the religion even amongst the early Christians. The Romans, and mostly the Roman emperor Constantine, and Athanasius of Alexandria (bishop of Alexandria) changed a lot, and buried many facts about early Christian knowledge.

In 1945, in the Egyptian desert there was a discovery made of some scrolls known as the Nag Hammadi library. Among them there is the Gospel of Thomas, and this copy is believed to be from the 2nd cetury AD.

After the discovery of the gospel of Thomas, scholars realized that three fragments of Greek text which had been discovered earlier were actually also part of the Gospel of Thomas. These three papyrus fragments of Thomas date to between 130 and 250 AD.

Anyway, here is a part of what the text says which is different to what has been taught by the orthodox Christian church.



The Nag Hammadi Library

The Gospel of Thomas


These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
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www.gnosis.org...



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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and all of that has what to do with the topic at hand of the current violence between these groups of people which by all accounts began with the rape of a girl?
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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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And the author of that book had the last name of Piso. Like all the rest of the NT.

what has this to do with the topic?



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by yes4141

Those people were not killed in the NAME of Atheism, they were simply governments/ rulers whom didn't adhere to a mainstream religion.


Yes they were... All forms of religion are and were banned by the early branches of socialism/communism, with the exception of Hitler's Germany, which was socialist but could be considered as the first socialist nation that was religious.


Originally posted by yes4141
In some ways I agree that the Nazi party did have substantially socialist elements (e.g. Volkswagon) and public attitudes but surely you cannot state the the fundamental reason for atrocities during the third Reich are due to the 'socialist' parts of the rulers/ government?


Really? and what about ALL other socialist/communist nations?... They didn't commit crimes against the people at a massive level since, and during the time when socialist/communists gained power?...

For example, in Cuba the first socialist and then Marxist government exiled priests, and even incarcerated those who would not leave. All religious festivities were banned, including Christmas, as well as all other forms of religion.

Marx himself declared that religion must be get rid of in a socialist/communist nation.


Originally posted by yes4141
I'm a little confused by your seeming vendetta against socialism no matter how small, tenuous or genuine it's form may be. It is hardly a neutral stance! (Which I'm not saying having by itself is a bad thing necessarily). I realise that this appears to be a defence of your religion but you are so vociferous that you at times begin to appear like some Mccarthy protégé.


WOW...really? and tell me, why should I have ANY positive views on socialism/communism when they have caused so much suffering, and death?... I am one of the millions of people who lived and survived socialism/communism, and most of us are not going to have ANYTHING positive to say... Unless you worked for the dictatorship that is...

As for religion, I don't classify myself as part of any one religion, as my beliefs are very different from Christian beliefs, and other beliefs. I do "believe" that there is some truth in most religions, although some religions are very negative to human values, and to life itself.

So nice try to claim I am saying all these facts because I am religious..., which is not true.


Originally posted by yes4141
Not quite sure why you have decided that an attack on the negatives of socialism was what was required for this thread. It simply becomes hard to read your posts without your agenda screaming at you regardless of subject matter. I really don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, I simply find it unsettling when someone has such a strong agenda against a relatively mild political outlook.


Look, I actually lived the horrors of socialism/communism, so I know what it really is about and you, nor anyone else who ahs just "read about what leftwinger scholars want you to believe" is not going to change the facts that I know about socialism/communism...

The attrocities that have been happening in Burma ARE BECAUSE OF THE SOCIALIST DICTATORSHIP which has existed there for a very long time, and just because you are not aware of this is not going to change the facts.

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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So basically nothing to do with this topic at all.

There is a forum especially for rants



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2209
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


So basically nothing to do with this topic at all.

There is a forum especially for rants




So the fact that Burma has been a socialist nation, and since then it became a very oppressive regime against the people causing massive casualties against the people in Burma has nothing to do with this topic which is about attrocities in Burma?...


Yeah, I can see you think very rationally... At least on this topic, I wonder why?...

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Try reading the OP again. It's about a specific incident which unfortunately for you has nothing to do with the reds under the bed scare campaign you are waging here.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

And the author of that book had the last name of Piso. Like all the rest of the NT.

what has this to do with the topic?


I was responding to one member who asked about it.

So tell me, I should just not respond to another person because you don't like the answer?...



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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We still have a year of this kind of mess to go. Then I suppose we'll have about eight years of break from it before the next solar max rolls in along with new doomsday theories and civil unrest worldwide.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2209
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Try reading the OP again. It's about a specific incident which unfortunately for you has nothing to do with the reds under the bed scare campaign you are waging here.


And read my responses, I showed that the Buddhist had waged a civil revolution against the Burmese government in 2007, and the OP was claiming the Burmese government was helping, and/or condoning the so claimed Buddhist massacres... I then showed more proof that at least until March of 2011 the Burmese government was still the same socialist dictatorship that has been causing massive deaths in massacres on the people of Burma...



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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Amnesty International says the Rohingyas in Myanmar became the target of violent attacks against the Muslim minority in the Asian country.





posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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I doubt the Buddhist are working with the Burmese government. Is it possible the Burmese government is still causing death amongst the people in Burma, yes. Is it possible the Buddhist have been fighting against the Muslims in Myanmar? Yes, they are different religions/paths of life, but the Burmese government working together with the Buddhists?. I doubt it.

As for the atrocities not getting media attention? Unfortunately there are a lot of similar things happening all over the world that the media is not covering at a mass scale at least.

Other religious minorities have been having the same problem, including the Assyrian Christians in Iraq, who to this day, and for centuries have been the recipients of repressive tactics by Muslims in Iraq, and around the area where the Assyrians had been living before there were any Muslims there.

I am sure if I were to post what is happening in Cuba right now it would not get almost any attention at all and more so on a forum like this one. Just like what has been happening there for decades. This weekend a dissident was killed on purpose by the Cuban regime, and two people, one of them from Spain, were witnesses and saw how a truck kept hitting the car of the Cuban dissident until it crashed and he died. Protests formed about this, and the Cuban regime arrested at least 50 people. But would this be of interest to a mainly leftist website, in which most members are leftwing? No, more so because of the similar views between leftwingers and socialism/communism.

If anyone were to post what other minorities have been going through, even recently it wouldn't get much attention at all, but if it is happening to Muslim, immediately it is a tragedy, and despite claims that the western media is not covering this at a massive scale, you see it on the news in various western sources. But you don't see much of what happens to other people, including minorities around the world...

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posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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You have an agenda and you're pushing it. You're fooling no one.

Anywho, obviously time to just skip over your posts wherever they appear.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by aaron2209

You have an agenda and you're pushing it. You're fooling no one.

Anywho, obviously time to just skip over your posts wherever they appear.


Your agenda in favor of socialism has been obvious for a long time, and because of this it is time to dismiss every response you make.

But is it possible that the decades of socialism is still part of why the government of Burma is also responsible for what happens there?


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Media

Main article: Media of Burma


Stilt houses at Lake Inle, Burma
Due to Burma's political climate, there are not many media companies in relation to the country's population, although a certain number exists. Some are privately owned, but all programming must meet with the approval of the censorship board.
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This page was last modified on 26 July 2012 at 04:21.

en.wikipedia.org...

There is still to this day massive censorship in Burma, and since the socialists took power, so the government isn't very "pro-freedom".

The government of Burma/Myanmar has been socialist for decades supposedly until a year ago, and they would not change overnight. So the government doing this would be normal procedure for them, since they have been doing it there for decades. As for the Buddhists, it is very probable that the Muslims are also causing clashes against the Buddhists. Since Muslims are a minority there, they are the ones trying to escape.

What is happening over there is not just because of clashes with Buddhists, but because the government has been clashing against the people ever since they have been socialists.





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