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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Powerful nations have always invaded and bullied smaller nations. This has been going on forever, even before the UN was formed. So why introduce a concept like nwo when these conditons can be explained by a much simpler theory: expansion of capital.


Wow, you give me too much credit, the concept and actuality of UN and the new world order was introduced before I was born. Yes, there have been other attempts at gaining control of "the world" but they failed because the people fought against them and this one will fail, as well, because the people of the world will reject it once they fully understand what this new order is intended to do. But it isn't one of those things you can simply ignore away.

What is your definition of the expansion of capital? Would that be creating more debt than can ever be repaid? That's what they've done and they are doing it on a worldwide scale. By any other name, that is slavery and that's what the new world order that George HW Bush told you was coming is all about: slavery to the bankers and the corporations so that no matter where you exist on the crony capitalist's food chain, you are nothing but a commodity to them, to be used and discarded. You are the equity on the unpayable debt.




posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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You have got to be kidding . If you will get your nose out of that beer you might find that you would be able to find where Tony Blair , Brown and Cameron , GHW Bush, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller , Bill Gates have been raving about the New World Order and Sustainable Development . We in the USA ars the last country to give up our guns and the ability to resist the Global Government . It would seem that Canada , Brittan , and Australia have been completely fooled about the Global Government scheme . Of course mate the Beer and pub gossip does not include world events . Have you ever wondered why beer is so cheap . It is the best way to keep people from actually care and asking what the hell is going on . Have you ever heard about the G-8 , G-20 , Bilderbergs , Agenda 21or Eugenics quotes by world leaders . Do you even care enough to research the NWO and Agenda 21 . It is real and won't go away when the beer dries up and will likely take your life .



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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You have got to be kidding . If you will get your nose out of that beer you might find that you would be able to find where Tony Blair , Brown and Cameron , GHW Bush, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller , Bill Gates have been raving about the New World Order and Sustainable Development . We in the USA ars the last country to give up our guns and the ability to resist the Global Government . It would seem that Canada , Brittan , and Australia have been completely fooled about the Global Government scheme . Of course mate the Beer and pub gossip does not include world events . Have you ever wondered why beer is so cheap . It is the best way to keep people from actually care and asking what the hell is going on . Have you ever heard about the G-8 , G-20 , Bilderbergs , Agenda 21or Eugenics quotes by world leaders . Do you even care enough to research the NWO and Agenda 21 . It is real and won't go away when the beer dries up and will likely take your life .


Haha... I don't drink mate, haven't for about three years, don't do drugs, don't take meds, don't drink caffeine, minimise sugar and salt.... So, if you'd stop trying to patronise me and provide the link to the announcement we're definitely getting a one world government I'll check it out... Got a time scale?
Yeah, I have read about agenda 21, the actual stuff and also the hogwash half you guys are pumping out as well, seems we're looking at two different documents to me.... And yeah, you yanks aren't fooled at all are ya? Just the rest of us idiots in Canada, Britain, Australia.... Anyone else you can think of that are inferior to the good old USA? Maybe it's quicker to list the ones that aren't eh? Ok.,, here goes:















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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
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All of Europe? There hasn't been a war in Europe since WWII... There have been several conflicts (Kosovo for example) and the UN intervened and brought stability to the nation.... Of course, it's not perfect but there's not mass genocide or a full on conflict raging anymore.... Does that count?


What? The original membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) consisted of Belgium, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and the United States. Germany had been devastated and was brought to its knees militarily. Many European countries were represented in the original NATO and more were admitted as time passed, so why on earth would they fight each other, they had bigger fish to fry. Still frying them.



That was kind of my point really, members aren't fighting each other, as you said, so it's brought peace to all of those countries, as you said.... So... Yeah, that was my point really....



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Sorry about the profiling thing but usually it fits very well . As for links you can find them if you are interested .I simply google what ever I'm looking for . As for the NWO and Agenda 21, World Trade Organization ,World Health Orginization ,Codex Alimentarius , Councilon Foriegn Relations, NAFTA /NAU , and the Trilateral Commision , Bilderberg Group there should be no question of their intent . As for the Sustainable Development document called Agenda 21 you might be interested in the Map provided of the United States Biosphere where man can not go and where people will be allowed to exist . Then you will also read about the population control portion of that document . Next you might research or Google "Eugenics Quotes " and look at a few sites provided . Then check out" The Georgia Guidestones " . The people who made those eugenics quotes you will find have a big role in the Bilderbergs and Trilateral Commission and in the UN . These people are for the Socialist Government that the Agenda 21 is pushing for . Why does it appear that they are trying to create a pandemic ?The Dutch were estatic about creating a killer virus when they made more potent the Bird Flu Virus . If it were a military bioweapon you would have never heard of it just like all the other bioweapons . If you are interested you will learn that you are in a world of doo doo .



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Milkflavour



Yeah, I have read about agenda 21, the actual stuff and also the hogwash half you guys are pumping out as well, seems we're looking at two different documents to me.... And yeah, you yanks aren't fooled at all are ya? Just the rest of us idiots in Canada, Britain, Australia.... Anyone else you can think of that are inferior to the good old USA? Maybe it's quicker to list the ones that aren't eh? Ok.,, here goes:



Lets try this from another approach. You state that you read about it, then why not provide your links to prove us wrong? Where did you read about it? In fact, I hope we are wrong and you are right, I really do.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Milkflavour

Originally posted by frazzle
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All of Europe? There hasn't been a war in Europe since WWII... There have been several conflicts (Kosovo for example) and the UN intervened and brought stability to the nation.... Of course, it's not perfect but there's not mass genocide or a full on conflict raging anymore.... Does that count?


What? The original membership of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) consisted of Belgium, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal and the United States. Germany had been devastated and was brought to its knees militarily. Many European countries were represented in the original NATO and more were admitted as time passed, so why on earth would they fight each other, they had bigger fish to fry. Still frying them.



That was kind of my point really, members aren't fighting each other, as you said, so it's brought peace to all of those countries, as you said.... So... Yeah, that was my point really....


They wouldn't have had time to attack each other, under the big dog called nato they were otherwise occupied.

List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II:

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

And you call this peace?

Extra credit: www.thirdworldtraveler.com...



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Skewed , I think were screwed . People like them are working to prove us wrong sitting in a big tub of the very thing that they decry as not existing . Guess what! God save the queen . Who is she but a figure head like Mari Antionette . Miss let them eat cake ! reply to post by Skewed
 



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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Sorry about the profiling thing but usually it fits very well . As for links you can find them if you are interested .I simply google what ever I'm looking for . As for the NWO and Agenda 21, World Trade Organization ,World Health Orginization ,Codex Alimentarius , Councilon Foriegn Relations, NAFTA /NAU , and the Trilateral Commision , Bilderberg Group there should be no question of their intent . As for the Sustainable Development document called Agenda 21 you might be interested in the Map provided of the United States Biosphere where man can not go and where people will be allowed to exist . Then you will also read about the population control portion of that document . Next you might research or Google "Eugenics Quotes " and look at a few sites provided . Then check out" The Georgia Guidestones " . The people who made those eugenics quotes you will find have a big role in the Bilderbergs and Trilateral Commission and in the UN . These people are for the Socialist Government that the Agenda 21 is pushing for . Why does it appear that they are trying to create a pandemic ?The Dutch were estatic about creating a killer virus when they made more potent the Bird Flu Virus . If it were a military bioweapon you would have never heard of it just like all the other bioweapons . If you are interested you will learn that you are in a world of doo doo .


Thanks man, I'll look into your suggestions... I'm particularly intrigued by the whole 'biosphere' thing.... What's the thinking behind that then?



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Yeah, the good old US of A has certainly been busy...

I guess the point I was making is that, for all member states there has been peace in their home countries since it was founded.... These days even Russia have stopped threatening to kill us all for goodness sake, and they don't seem to like anyone...
So, if we can eventually add all the world's nations to that group then we can finally start to hammer out a set of rules and compromises that will create stability on a wider scale... I mean, what's the alternative? Just hope that one day we'll all just get along? Membership to a group encourages cooperation, cohesion, a shared set of values and ideals and greater stability.... A world 'government' isn't necessarily a bad thing in that sense is it?

And, what if the only way to get everyone into that group in the long run was to get rid of all the leaders who wouldn't participate, either through subversion, destabilisation (leading to revolution) or war, and then replace them with leaders who would? Would that be acceptable, IF, in the long run, all nations were united under one flag and brokered a peace that would benefit all mankind for all time? Maybe that's not a decision that you could make, maybe that's something you couldn't be responsible for, maybe that's not something that you could have on your conscience.... maybe that's why you're not a leader and others are... Because they can make the tough, sometimes terrible decisions because they know that they are for the greatest good of the greatest number.... With great power comes great responsibility eh? I believe this is the true meaning of that saying...
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posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 06:18 PM
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Do you want to live under Socialism ? Do you want to have private property ? Living in England is probably as close as you can get to it . The Kings land , the Kings deer and the commoners . Thats where it's headed . Remember we left England to get away from that sort of communal living and the taxes .



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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We aren't going to have anything to do with hammering out rules ! When you have no way to fight your government you have communism . They decide what you will do!



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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Do you want to live under Socialism ? Do you want to have private property ? Living in England is probably as close as you can get to it . The Kings land , the Kings deer and the commoners . Thats where it's headed . Remember we left England to get away from that sort of communal living and the taxes .


How is that different to right now? I'm not sure I see your point... My vote counts for nothing, it never has.. I don't own my house and i never will, the bank does... I have no choice but to pay whatever big corporations want to charge; for my food, my energy everything... The government is self-serving and they line their own pockets at my expense.... Thing is, it's always been this way, we've never been free and we never will be.... Society needs rules and rulers and will always be that way.... Absolute freedom is the same as anarchy.... there are laws, rules and rulers for a reason..... What would you have instead?



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Milkflavour


How is that different to right now? I'm not sure I see your point... My vote counts for nothing, it never has.. I don't own my house and i never will, the bank does... I have no choice but to pay whatever big corporations want to charge; for my food, my energy everything... The government is self-serving and they line their own pockets at my expense.... Thing is, it's always been this way, we've never been free and we never will be.... Society needs rules and rulers and will always be that way.... Absolute freedom is the same as anarchy.... there are laws, rules and rulers for a reason..... What would you have instead?



I finally get where you are coming from. Pretty simple actually.
You are already defeated. You are all ready to hand over every bit of freedom you have to the government.
You suffer from self-defeat.



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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I am paying for my place but I am not cramed into a tight little place where I have to share toilets . I have property rights , an airplane 2 cars and live in a rural setting . I can grow a gardern have chickens etc . As long as I don't shoot at some one or what ever nobody tells me what to do. Yes we have law but not a situation like in China or England . You can have it we don't want that . I can go out inmy back yard and blow hell out of a tree with what ever gun I have legally .I can have a party with out disturbing my neighbors . I can hop in my plane and fly any where or drive anywhere . I can piss in my back yard with out onlookers .I don't want to live like sardines in a can . How do you live ?



posted on Jul, 26 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Milkflavour
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Yeah, the good old US of A has certainly been busy...

I guess the point I was making is that, for all member states there has been peace in their home countries since it was founded.... These days even Russia have stopped threatening to kill us all for goodness sake, and they don't seem to like anyone...
So, if we can eventually add all the world's nations to that group then we can finally start to hammer out a set of rules and compromises that will create stability on a wider scale... I mean, what's the alternative? Just hope that one day we'll all just get along? Membership to a group encourages cooperation, cohesion, a shared set of values and ideals and greater stability.... A world 'government' isn't necessarily a bad thing in that sense is it?

And, what if the only way to get everyone into that group in the long run was to get rid of all the leaders who wouldn't participate, either through subversion, destabilisation (leading to revolution) or war, and then replace them with leaders who would? Would that be acceptable, IF, in the long run, all nations were united under one flag and brokered a peace that would benefit all mankind for all time? Maybe that's not a decision that you could make, maybe that's something you couldn't be responsible for, maybe that's not something that you could have on your conscience.... maybe that's why you're not a leader and others are... Because they can make the tough, sometimes terrible decisions because they know that they are for the greatest good of the greatest number.... With great power comes great responsibility eh? I believe this is the true meaning of that saying...
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I wonder if you have any idea (not idealism) what it would take to accomplish your goals of worldwide cooperation and cohesion and peace and harmony. Do you know how many millions of people would have to die before any such thing could occur? Do you have any idea how many of the citizens of member countries want their nations OUT of the UN because it doesn’t bring peace, but only more war? (there is no escape clause in the treaty). Those would-be escapees include millions of Americans who are naturally jealous of their Constitution and Bill of Rights which has been systematically undermined since the adoption of the UN treaty and have woken up to the fraud of the "promise" of peace.

Do you not know that the push for world government is why NATO (whose membership cares nothing for anybody’s Rule of Law or peace or stability) is in all the Muslim countries killing innocent civilians ~ because Muslims will never share the values or ideals of the usury based central banking system unless they first give up Islam? Not likely to happen, it’s the fastest growing religion in the world. And if for no other reason, world government will never happen unless NATO succeeds in killing them all, which might be a trick for the economically devastated super powers to get done.

But out of curiosity I have to ask, would this peace you visualize entail you adopting any of the life ways of other cultures, like the Caliphate or African tribal law for instance, or would you insist on the English Only Version of Peace and stability wherein the rules are all hammered out by GB and its partners, with Colonialism and assimilation being spread all around the globe at the point of a gun as has always been done in the past? Wake up, the sun has set on both the EU and the US and I don’t mind telling you that its BECAUSE of the usury based central banking system that the Muslim belief prohibits. But we’re so damn much smarter than any camel jockey, so we have ritually committed hara-kiri with our beloved fiat paper. Sure, maybe we’re not quite dead yet but we’re bleeding out fast. Mortgage = death by debt.

I don’t know about you but if I visited China or Russia or Syria or anywhere else on earth, I’d be going specifically to experience their very distinct cultures in their own milieu, not feel like I just stepped out of my own door at home.

The kind of peace I visualize entails respect for all peoples, nations, religions and cultures and truly FAIR and unfettered trade with all. But that’s apparently too hard for colonialists who make terrible decisions time after time, always costing so heavily in lives and treasure, to comprehend.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 03:06 AM
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You know, I just wrote a very lengthy reply to you and the others above, then I realised, what's the point?... I have my ideals, which I'm happy with, and you have your ideals (which you imply aren't ideals but something superior) and I realised, who cares? Who gives a toss? You talk about the rest of the world's cultures as though you actually give a toss, funny, coming from the good old US that, what did you do recently that wasn't about you or your country? When did you last go to Africa to help these poor people you're suddenly so concerned about when it helps to support your argument?.... You don't care about my opinion, you couldn't care less if I dropped down dead right now, it's hilarious... And I, honestly don't care about yours.... You're right, you're righteous, I'm wrong and stupid because I don't approve of the zeitgeist.... But you... You're bang on trend my friend......

You sit there in your comfy house with your computer, your fridge full of food, your clean water on tap, your warmth in the winter and your air-con in the summer, your comfortable lifestyle, your privilege to pontificate about the rights and wrongs and to say whatever you want, with your luxury of choice... and you complain about your lack of freedom..... it would be funny if it wasn't so sad..... I'm not wasting my time trying to explain my point of view because you're not actually interested... which is the exact reason the whole 'let's all hold hands and it'll all be ok, we'll all just, somehow, start getting along' is total BS and always will be... I've rapidly realised that this is the place that people who like the (virtual) sound of their own voice come to spout off and massage their egos, garner some support for their whacky, baseless beliefs and to obtain the legitimacy that they can't get in the real world, with real people..... I wonder how much good you've done, how much of a difference you've made sat behind your computer screen shovelling junk food into your mouth and telling everyone they're wrong....



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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I am done here. If that is your choice then so be it. We have tried to get you to consider the evidence but you will not give the evidence a chance. Then I ask you to provide your evidence, which you have not done. But you keep spouting the same rhetoric that the MSM is spouting off. But what you are not realizing is that, for example, lets say you get bit by a rattlesnake. Then when you go to the doctor and if the TPTB thought that it would be to cruel to a rattlesnake to obtain the venom to make anti-venom, you would die. What Agenda 21 will do is put all the animals above humans. What do you think the Wildlands Project is? I am all for protecting animals but if it means to kill an animal to save a human, I have no issues with that.

I have a few other things I could add, but I am not wasting anymore time, especially if you will not even look at the evidence that was presented in this thread.



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posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Milkflavour

How is that different to right now? I'm not sure I see your point... My vote counts for nothing, it never has.. I don't own my house and i never will, the bank does... I have no choice but to pay whatever big corporations want to charge; for my food, my energy everything... The government is self-serving and they line their own pockets at my expense.... Thing is, it's always been this way, we've never been free and we never will be.... Society needs rules and rulers and will always be that way.... Absolute freedom is the same as anarchy.... there are laws, rules and rulers for a reason..... What would you have instead?


You said nothing in your last post to me worth responding to other than asking what I have done to help people in Africa and my answer is that I've tried pretty hard for 30 years to convince people in my own country to stop supporting the fascist US government and the UN honchos that actively support the ongoing rape of Africa and elsewhere. No one can help the people as long as powerful governments and corporate entities join hands to rape the lands and resources from anyone unlucky enough to be born on top of coveted resources. The thought of BUYING those resources at fair market value never occurs to fascists because they have the military might to TAKE them and they don't mind killing anyone who gets in their way. You, on the other hand, close your eyes to that rape and murder so I would ask you to think about what YOU are doing to help those people.

You complain that you will always owe the bankers and will never own your land but you can't see that they've already done to you what they're doing to Africans and the people of the middle east. You don't see the UN stepping in to declare the property you're paying for as YOUR property to enjoy in peace and prosperity and you won't because they've long since turned the people of Europe into tenants on the property they think they own. Their goal is to turn the entire world into subservient tenants who must slave in their factories and on their farms and still beg them for subsistance.

Just because the pretty words in the documents of the UN treaty and Agenda 21 don't come right out and say so, in their estimation you are property, as well, and you must do whatever they say is law even though it may be immoral and repugnant to you personally. The main problem with all this is that you were born into a similar but smaller system with so many restrictions already in place that you have never experienced anything even close to liberty and therefore doubt it could ever exist. That's bad enough but now, since what you already have is abusive, you have been conditioned to believe BIGGER restrictions by BIGGER government will make things less abusive.

You have been taught that freedom is anarchy and you apparently believe that but at least for Americans, all we're asking is that government restrict itself to its constitutionally limited authority and go no further, which is not anarchy. It is a demand that the US government must abide to the law as it was set up at the founding of America by people who had escaped the heavy hand of restrictive and abusive European law to BE free. We aren't willing to slide deeper into the belly of the beast, rather we would cut off all the beast's tentacles before they crush us.

You could help in that effort if you would walk away from the comforting lies of tyrants.



posted on Jul, 27 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Has it ever occurred to you that the problems in Africa are caused by the United Nations Global Government. . How many AK 47s can you afford with their income in poorest Africa ? And what about all of those 50 cent bullets they shoot ? Who is paying for those ? And why has the UN not stepped in in full force to stop them from killing each other ? A fellow Eugenicist Margret Sanger ( who was among other very powerful people in the Global cabal ) wrote Dr Clarence Gamble in Dec. of 1939 explaining how to use religion to help eliminate what she believed to be an inferior race, the Negro . She is among the others who head the New World Order who not only feel the same way but see a population reduction of 80 to 95 % of all people necessary to reach the Sustainable development Agenda 21 goals . So you are standing in quick sand arguing for this Global Government . Or is it in your own grave ?





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