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5 ways to get America working again ?

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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Human Events
By: David Harsanyi
7/23/2012

5 ways to get America working again
 

This article has a 5-point plan that one economist thinks will work.

Perhaps his main point is the key....


Step one? Please, stop.

It would probably strike the average politician as absurd to argue that the best way to fix the economy is to stop trying to “fix it.” But as John Taylor, former economist at the Council of Economic Advisers and professor of economics at Stanford University, argues, the most effective way to regain our edge is to change the way we think about the economy. This means returning to “first principles.” As an economic matter, Taylor defines this by saying that “families, individuals, and entrepreneurs must be free to decide what to produce, what to consume, what to buy and sell, and how to help others.”

Not exactly a radical notion. Yet, from health care reform to environmentalist policy, from fiscal reform to the gutting of welfare reform, the economic agenda of Washington the past four years—and even longer—has corroded our traditional understanding of economic freedom....



The "5"


  1. Austerity now!

  2. Simplify the tax code

  3. Best stimulus? Cheap energy

  4. No more easy money

  5. Repeal — then must replace


The article has the details !

What else ?





posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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# 6 Start from scratch. There is no way to 'repair' this thing! The thing that made America great...was MANUFACTURING! Now, it's just a consuming nation.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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the tax one could do it on its own.

eliminate all taxes and institute one flat retail tax.

Oh you don't like illegals? guess what they buy anything they pay taxes.

Oh the corporations and rich don't pay enough? Fine anytime they buy anything again Tax.

it really is as simple as that.

It would also regulate the amounts coming in, and with out the ability to make us buy more, well they would have to learn to live with in their means, you know how the rest of us do it.

just thought of a whole benefit of this as well, IF the government wants money, they damn well better ensure the economy is good and people are employed...

I think i just figured out why this will never happen

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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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There is no way to fix what has went wrong in this nation, and we are all too happy to buy cheap products made elsewhere in the world instead of right here at home.

We are indeed a nation of consumers instead of producers that made this nation what it use to be.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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6.
wars cost money

no wars save money
save money boost economy

wars are costing?



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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How about we stop giving corporations tax cuts to ship jobs out of the country?

How about we get JP Morgan out of running the foodstamp program? They shipped jobs to India to manage our own welfare program. Extremely pathetic and sickening.

How about we cut the military budget by at-least 50%? No other nation spends as much as we do on death/destruction.

Military spending by nations


Why don't we stop bailing out banking scum?

The Federal Reserve's 'breathtaking' $7.7 trillion bank bailout


Estimated amount in previously undisclosed profits the six largest banks — JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs Group, and Morgan Stanley — took in, thanks to those loans and the Fed's below-market rates. Unlike the TARP funds, "the loans came with virtually no strings attached for the banks," says Travis Waldron at Think Progress


theweek.com...
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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Something I posted Jan 23rd of this year.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Stop relying on government. They (government) have obviously FAILED in any attempt to create jobs and revitalize the economy.

We (the people) should just take care of ourselves. Create industry, new markets, new oppourunities.

To the devil, with the nanny-state and handouts! Isn't it time we showed the government and the rest of the world that we don't NEED handouts to succeed.
We don't NEED government to succeed.
We can do it on our own!!!!



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Many good ideas I see so far in this thread but some others are, allow businesses to fail, there is NO SUCH thing as too big to fail!
Another is do not allow monopolies, nor corporations to get as big as they have.
We have just a few conglomerates who own almost all of the businesses here in the US.
Of course price fixing is illegal and that never happens right?



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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To the devil, with the nanny-state and handouts!


I agree

The largest healthcare provider in the country is the US Government Medicare,medicaid
The largest "Retirement" provider in the country is the US Government Social Security
The largest "banker" in the country is the US Federal Goverment the Federal Reserve.

over 150 million Americans on the Government dole seem the purveyors of the womb to the tomb mentaility is the problem in this country.

Can anyone Name one millionaire or billionaire social engineering has ever made?
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posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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Because austerity has been working so well in Europe.


How about repeal AND replace? None of this, 'we'll get to it later' garbage.

How about we spend more on infrastructure?
Reform the tax code to make millionaires pay more.
If the mega-rich corporations refuse to create jobs, irregardless of the amount of money we give them, then let government create job programs! More government employees instead of contracting all the work out to companies who do only half the work before demanding twice the money.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Number 3 would work . Cheaper energy would allow most people to spend money on other goods .

To the people who say a flat tax is good are WRONG!!! A flat tax is regressive and hurts the average person.

Austerity is the worst one! the cut in spending will crash the economy. I know the doomers and Ron Paul fanatics want that but its a very very bad idea
edit on 23-7-2012 by gorgi because: spelling



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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But a flat tax is the only true "fair" tax.

Everyone pays the same percentage.

That way, everyone (and I mean everyone) pays their fair share.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by gorgi
 
But a flat tax is the only true "fair" tax.

Everyone pays the same percentage.

That way, everyone (and I mean everyone) pays their fair share.



Thats not really true. The people who have less income end up paying more than those who have higher income. Thats why we have a progressive tax structure. The people with less income spend most of their money, so taxing them at a higher rate, which a flat tax doers will hurt the average person. This is why a sales tax hurts the average person.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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I think there are five ways to get american jobs back.

1)no tax breaks or credits for outsourcing jobs.
2)Tariffs for impoverished countries that use quasi-slave labor.
3)Lower the corporate tax based on how many american workers you have.
4)Stop the bailouts.
5)Drill for oil in canada,gulf of mexico and shale reserves. Waivers for any oil corporation that employs permanant american workers.



posted on Jul, 23 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by gorgi
 
But a flat tax is the only true "fair" tax.

Everyone pays the same percentage.

That way, everyone (and I mean everyone) pays their fair share.



Thats not really true. The people who have less income end up paying more than those who have higher income. Thats why we have a progressive tax structure. The people with less income spend most of their money, so taxing them at a higher rate, which a flat tax doers will hurt the average person. This is why a sales tax hurts the average person.


How is a progressive tax structure fair? It allows people NOT to pay.

It rewards medeocrity and punishes success.



posted on Jul, 24 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by gorgi
 
But a flat tax is the only true "fair" tax.

Everyone pays the same percentage.

That way, everyone (and I mean everyone) pays their fair share.



Thats not really true. The people who have less income end up paying more than those who have higher income. Thats why we have a progressive tax structure. The people with less income spend most of their money, so taxing them at a higher rate, which a flat tax doers will hurt the average person. This is why a sales tax hurts the average person.


How is a progressive tax structure fair? It allows people NOT to pay.

It rewards medeocrity and punishes success.


It doesnt punish success. It doesnt punish anyone. The tea party talking points are wrong. You make more you pay more. Theres nothing wrong with that. Most (ie. sane) economists agree with that too.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by gorgi
Number 3 would work . Cheaper energy would allow most people to spend money on other goods .

To the people who say a flat tax is good are WRONG!!! A flat tax is regressive and hurts the average person.

Austerity is the worst one! the cut in spending will crash the economy. I know the doomers and Ron Paul fanatics want that but its a very very bad idea
edit on 23-7-2012 by gorgi because: spelling


A flat tax is not regressive.

A regressive tax is one that takes a larger percentage from low-income people than from high-income people. Examples include such things as a $4.00 tax on a pack of cigarettes. The $4.00 tax represents a higher percentage of a poor man's wages than a rich man's income. Regressive taxes also includes sales taxes on necessities since poor people generally spend a greater percentage of their total income on such things than rich people.

A progressive tax is the opposite; it takes a larger percentage from high-income people than from lower-income people. An example is the present IRS tax code in which higher levels of income are taxed at higher rates.

A flat tax is in the middle; it taxes only income and takes the same percentage from all people. Since it does not tax products or services, it cannot be regressive and since the rate is the same at all income levels, it is not progressive.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.investopedia.com...

I find it strange that when it comes to taxing income, the government extolls the virtue of progressive taxation. However, the poor and middle-class are being literally taxed to death by the many various regressive taxes imposed upon them at all levels of government.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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Export. Learn how and just do it. You will help yourself and help the your country. Everyone says the U.S. has nothing to export, but they are wrong. I'm not making a list of what can be found to export. Just telling you to export is not in my best interest, but it is in the best interest of our country.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by TheOldProfessor

Originally posted by gorgi
Number 3 would work . Cheaper energy would allow most people to spend money on other goods .

To the people who say a flat tax is good are WRONG!!! A flat tax is regressive and hurts the average person.

Austerity is the worst one! the cut in spending will crash the economy. I know the doomers and Ron Paul fanatics want that but its a very very bad idea
edit on 23-7-2012 by gorgi because: spelling


A flat tax is not regressive.

A regressive tax is one that takes a larger percentage from low-income people than from high-income people. Examples include such things as a $4.00 tax on a pack of cigarettes. The $4.00 tax represents a higher percentage of a poor man's wages than a rich man's income. Regressive taxes also includes sales taxes on necessities since poor people generally spend a greater percentage of their total income on such things than rich people.

A progressive tax is the opposite; it takes a larger percentage from high-income people than from lower-income people. An example is the present IRS tax code in which higher levels of income are taxed at higher rates.

A flat tax is in the middle; it taxes only income and takes the same percentage from all people. Since it does not tax products or services, it cannot be regressive and since the rate is the same at all income levels, it is not progressive.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.investopedia.com...

I find it strange that when it comes to taxing income, the government extolls the virtue of progressive taxation. However, the poor and middle-class are being literally taxed to death by the many various regressive taxes imposed upon them at all levels of government.


The example you used is about the cigarette tax is actually an example of a "sin" tax. Its designed to reduce consumption.

A flat tax is in a way a regressive tax in that it unfairly takes away money from the people who could use it the most.



posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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My 5 point plan:

1) Seize all the money the banksters stole that has now been reported as being
shipped offshore in the order of 32 trillion at current estimates, that's mainstream news.
Open books for all financial transactions of all kinds, no more 700+ shell corps
like Enron pulled in the Cayman islands.
If the neo serfs have to obey the law, then so do the pirates at the top.

2) Austerity for the 700+ bases in 100+ nations around the world.
We spend on military what the next 25 nations spend combined,
and over 20 of them are allies...

3) Listen to Lindbergh, Lincoln, Jackson, Jefferson, and Ron Paul...End the Fed.
Creating debt every time you create a dollar is a ponzi scheme.

4) Ban derivatives permanently and even the OTC market gets "real" transparency.
reform wallstreet in full while your doing this and no more secret squirrel fecal bonanza's.

5) No nation can sell products in the US that do not adhere to US labor laws and wages.
An even playing field in the trade arena would help both the neo serfs here and over there.

In regards to cheap energy:

Coskata can use leaves, grass clippings, and any waste cellulose to
make ethanol for about $1/gal due to using enzymes vs. the current method
used on corn.

Coskata - $1/gal cellulose-enzyme based ethanol

Valcent Technologies can grow 100,000 gallons of algae oil for bio diesel
per acre per year in the desert using non arable land.



Biological Hydrogen production is not a theory it is fact,
it works right now.

Biological hydrogen production


The VW Passat gets around 78 mpg and it is banned from sale in
the US due to lobbying by oil and other lobbyists efforts.



The regendyne wind turbine in certain mountain passes using the
venturri effect would generate power on scale with a nuclear reactor.



A liquid fluoride thorium reactor would be cheap and easy nuclear power world wide
with far less waste, and it cannot be used to make weapons grade fuel.

They had one of these running for months with no problems many years ago.

It also produces about 1,000 times less nuclear waste.



Our problems are not a lack of solutions, but corrupt and crooked management
in the corporations, government, and lobbyists.
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