If extraterrestrials exist, what do you think the nature of ET society is

This year we've seen plenty of documentary on the history channel and discovery channel concerning aliens and ET existence. I believe society is getting to a point where we can accept this fact.

A more important question we should be asking is, what exactly is the nature of ET society? Is it something like this?

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I believe so. Considering the massive expanse of the universe one can logically conclude that there must be a vast array of different ET species (the so called reptile species, the nordics humanoids, the greys, etc.) that have evolved on different life bearing planets in different galaxies.

Even more important is considering the nature of their evolution and society. While technology and may differentiate humanity and the ET species, the ideologies of these ET species likely reflect current ideologies of humanity.

According to most accounts and whistle blowers , it appears that there are ET species that are STS (Service to self, being ``selfish``) where an ET species will either

A.)Manipulate and lie to others for their own gains
B.)Straight out steal the resources of a planet

and then there`s the STO (service to others, selfless behavior) where these ET species

A.)Do not directly interfere with the evolution of other developing species
B.)Fight the STS ET species

It`s also important to mention that while many are under the perception that the so called reptile species is STS, in actuality it`s just a faction of the reptile species and other miscellaneous ET species which are STS.

due to the sheer size of the universe i'd think it's a given that both exist in extremes,
but I tend to believe most extraterrestrial or any civilization for that matter which can travel space, is dystopian by nature as they need a strict regimen to survive the element.

therefore you'd be more likely to encounter a galactic empire then a galactic republic. or planetary empires etc...

All i can say for sure is that we are the aliens to any other life in the universe and would definitely fall into the "STS" category.

reply to post by Utopia2012

Originally posted by Utopia2012

This year we've seen plenty of documentary on the history channel and discovery channel concerning aliens and ET existence. I believe society is getting to a point where we can accept this fact.

That which cannot be proven, is not a fact.

I doubt a highly advanced race would be a consumer society, where one half suffers illness's from eating too much the other with not enough food. Where we use up resources that can not be replaced, that creates Islands of junk plastic in it's oceans. I imagine they must have got past this stage in order for their race to survive.

its probably the same with aliens, their government is corrupt, the law enforcers are abusing their power, the 1% rule the galaxy...

welcome to hell

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Fair enough. It`s theory for the time being.

strict regimen to survive the element

I believe the ability to travel far distances in space naturally comes with the ability to bypass the element per say.

I believe that space travel used by ET technology likely utilizes "wormhole" technology where time and space is bent in order travel far distances in shorter periods. We all know that traveling the speed of light would not only take a long time to get to even the closest galaxy, but we would also have to avoid all the space junk. So I don't think that ET space travel is anything like it is in mainstream space travel technology on earth.

Based on this wormhole theory of bending space and time, this would open a plethora of other possibilities that make it less likely most ET' are "dystopian". Rather such technology would easily open the doors to all planets which can inhabit life and have renewable resources.

All i can say for sure is that we are the aliens to any other life in the universe and would definitely fall into the "STS" category

Sadly, I know how you feel. While I believe people are naturally STO , I believe that the selfish of the planet influence the rest of society to be STS. Many times it seems that only so many people on this planet are STO.

This further makes poses the question that planet earth is merely a game to convince people to join either "the dark side" of the universe or "the jedi" of the universe.

I doubt a highly advanced race would be a consumer society, where one half suffers illness's from eating too much the other with not enough food. Where we use up resources that can not be replaced, that creates Islands of junk plastic in it's oceans. I imagine they must have got past this stage in order for their race to survive

Exactly my thoughts. I believe that what we experience right now as a human species is part of our evolution in becoming like the more highly evolved STO ET's.

its probably the same with aliens, their government is corrupt, the law enforcers are abusing their power, the 1% rule the galaxy...

I believe that in higher levels of evolution the individual gains the ability to become telepathic , so it becomes a lot more harder to be corrupt because lies can be spotted instantly.

This would lead to a quicker distinction between factions that are corrupt and selfish, and the STS.

I also believe that on higher levels of evolution the realization that STS is a more sustainable ideology to a species and the inherent nature of all living beings, especially in spiritual evolution.

Idea: A simple basic assumption:
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(/10 too old , /10 to young, /10 too close to their sun /10 too far from their sun)

I tried a guess on our milky way distribution of civilizations is

34% type 0
21% type 1
13% type 2
08% type 3
05% type 4
03% type 5


While we are almost at a type 0 civiliaztion type 5 civilizations rules on all others.
With a cascade effect, not even direct control necessary.

Type 5 allows less degree of freedom to type 4
which allows less degree of freedom to type 3 and so on.

Society : any structure reaches a pareto efficiency limit.
All societies SUPERIOR to type 0 are isomorph one another.

As their tech is enough supportive to also "restore" environment.
Social Balance oscillates between local socialism and galactic imperialism
Balance shift occurs when resources are locally low.and technology can support such change.

Examples of social interactions:
They give out technology to lower races until they reach their pareto efficiency limit on their iso structure.
They AVOID giving technology to lower races that want try cross that border.
Lower type civilizations try make contacts with higher ones. Not the opposite.

Hope you enjoyed my thoughts.

Originally posted by Utopia2012
It`s also important to mention that while many are under the perception that the so called reptile species is STS, in actuality it`s just a faction of the reptile species and other miscellaneous ET species which are STS.

What reptilian species? Don't you think that maybe this obsession there is with reptilian species being the bad guys is NOT becasue they are (assuming they exist) but an extension of the Human psyche. By default we associate reptiles with danger, badness, the devil etc. SO DUH on that one!

However, (answering an opinion with an opinion) I suspect the universe is full of all flavours of society. The one thing we do know is that war tends to accelerate technology so there is the danger of war faring species out there. On the other hand you don't have campaigns without backup and the universe is way way too big to have decent backup.....unless you are strip mining planets on a one by one basis as in the film Independance Day. But then why the hell bother with the hassle of an inhabited planet if you have the resources of the universe to pick and choose from!

My guess is any society that survives its own interanl conflicts (I'm sure they have bankers, pollution, war etc as we have) can only expand into the universe if everything is sorted back home. How else do you get the resources and ensure ongoing support for your deep space trekkies.

So IMHO space faring species have to have a stable economy and society back home and thus will not be looking for a fight. Any species wanting to mine resources will stick with all the uninhabited rocks out there and thus not be looking for a fight. Our own history shows that militaristic societies implode so they are unlikely, think about the chain of command and keeping dictatorial control over such distances......no chance.

While it's nice to think of aliens in human terms, the more accurate approach would be to model a specie social structure based on many factors like;

biology - diet, primary sense organs, environmental requirements, mating requirements (how many sexes, or are they hermaphoditic), carbon based, cyanide based, silicon based?

morphology - is it a fish, fowl, lizard, insect, monkey, worm, cat, machine, macroscopic virus, or is it even physical in the sense that magnetic life could exist

sociology - are they cooperative, competitive, solitary, social, hive, communal, hierarchical, anarchist, meritocratic, or what?

There could be entire societies of magnetic life spanning light years across, existing in and made of magnetic lines of force, just like we store data electronically.

What would machine life be like?

What would a society that communicates through viral toxins like pheromones be like?
What would a society that senses it's environment through sound, or radar, similar to the way bats and porpoises echo locate be like?

There's a huge amount of speculation here.

As large as the universe is, there is bound to be other technologically advanced intelligent life somewhere, but, wherever that is, and whatever that society looks like, I'm fairly certain no matter what me even try to imagine what it may be like, it would surprise us in ways we never conceived.

We have a thing about neat, orderly square buildings. An alien civilization may not require buildings at all, or, may lack our sense of organization in ways that they see and process everything in gestalt.

there is a mistake i believe concerning this kind of train thoughts. you seem to imply that a species will be selfish or selfless etc. look the diversity inside our own planet... or country... or even family. you cant call greeks awesome and germans killers (random sellection of countries :p ) i am sure they also got good bad selfish and altruistic ppl...

They have abolished the concept of money and don't breed like rabbits like most of humanity.

Second line.

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Maybe you didn't read the very quote you quoted, I said not all reptile species are STS. I said that there's merely a faction , along with other miscellaneous species who are STS. There is no obsession, just a likely possibility in evolution of species in the entire universe,

a species will be selfish or selfless etc. look the diversity inside our own planet..

Fair point, I believe that STS and STO are merely two ends of the spectrum.

Maybe it is not STO vs STS, maybe there is something in between like "Service To Peace" where you find peace for yourself and others. You include yourself into the picture but also try to help others.

Maybe there are many beings l like that who are in between.

... discussion is derailed ...
not related to imagining an alien social model. To recap I suggest:

1) start again from my post above ,

2) get to know the concept of civilization types: Kardashev_scale
Kardashev_scale

3) post your ideas of how an alien society could be

4) let the crowdsourcing/think tank/ posters evolve it till you say wow !

reply to post by Utopia2012


I would say we're probably the exceptionally primative species in the universe, on the cusp of long duration space travel.

They would likely be less self serving than us, although a self serving attitude may be where they came from generations ago. I'd say that because being self serving is the basic means to survive in a natural world. Without it, they probably wouldn't exist. They've probably evolved beyond it though.

Whether or not they would consider us worthy of our own existance, remains to be seen. Although they may not be self serving, they may take one look at us, and decide we deserve to die, or are so primative that we really don't deserve what we have. Then they could take it and/or wipe us out.

I think ET society is probably made up of single cell organisms - but it's probably a lot happier than ours.

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Maybe it is not STO vs STS, maybe there is something in between

Yea, I believe druscillas post explained what I believe describes everything that lies in between the spectrum. The sociological aspect of ET's as described there can orientate itself towards STO and STS. Service to peace I believe would fall under STO however.

biology - diet, primary sense organs, environmental requirements, mating requirements (how many sexes, or are they hermaphoditic), carbon based, cyanide based, silicon based?

morphology - is it a fish, fowl, lizard, insect, monkey, worm, cat, machine, macroscopic virus, or is it even physical in the sense that magnetic life could exist

sociology - are they cooperative, competitive, solitary, social, hive, communal, hierarchical, anarchist, meritocratic,

Also something I want to mention about the biology, I believe that there are alien ET's out there with drastically different biological features which would allow them to live on what we believe to be inhospitable environments. Perhaps the biology of one species for example, doesn't require oxygen. This could be a natural outcome of evolution on a planet with harsher conditions.

As for the Kardashev scale, I believe that really only emphasizes the technological nature of ET species.

Some of their favorite holodeck programs back home:

* Teasing U.S. pilots with a foo fighter in WWII

* Playing the triangle onstage with the Rolling Stones

* Mud-wrestling with Sports Illustrated swimsuit-issue cover models