John Schroeder 911Fireman - talks about explosions going off and even finds a dead body in a closet?! WTF?!
Is there any real counter argument to the Conspiracy theorists of 9/11, page 2
reply posted on 22-7-2012 @ 09:33 PM by Dinogur
reply to post by thegameisup
I am currently watching your hour plus long video and im liking it.
Most of what i see and hear are discrepancies that are not/have not been recorded and broadcasted by the MSM. such as WTC building 7, the free-fall of the towers, the lack of effort by NORAD, and other political head for the demand of an answer, the timing of everything, such as one of the four planes crashing in Pennsylvania almost 2 hours after the collapse of the twin towers and NORAD or the FAA didnt do anything about it...
I have kind of come to the conclusion that arguing with such people as my friend is useless, wasting time arguing with these types of close-minded individuals is pointless and only a waste of time.
I am currently watching your hour plus long video and im liking it.
Most of what i see and hear are discrepancies that are not/have not been recorded and broadcasted by the MSM. such as WTC building 7, the free-fall of the towers, the lack of effort by NORAD, and other political head for the demand of an answer, the timing of everything, such as one of the four planes crashing in Pennsylvania almost 2 hours after the collapse of the twin towers and NORAD or the FAA didnt do anything about it...
I have kind of come to the conclusion that arguing with such people as my friend is useless, wasting time arguing with these types of close-minded individuals is pointless and only a waste of time.
reply posted on 22-7-2012 @ 09:46 PM by Infi8nity
Originally posted by Dinogur
reply to post by thegameisup
I am currently watching your hour plus long video and im liking it.
Most of what i see and hear are discrepancies that are not/have not been recorded and broadcasted by the MSM. such as WTC building 7, the free-fall of the towers, the lack of effort by NORAD, and other political head for the demand of an answer, the timing of everything, such as one of the four planes crashing in Pennsylvania almost 2 hours after the collapse of the twin towers and NORAD or the FAA didnt do anything about it...
I have kind of come to the conclusion that arguing with such people as my friend is useless, wasting time arguing with these types of close-minded individuals is pointless and only a waste of time.
Ahh thats it NORAD how could i forget that.
If you look at my other post, about dick channey the organization I was talking about is NORAD
reply posted on 22-7-2012 @ 10:14 PM by vipertech0596
reply to post by Dinogur
Flight 93, crashed five minutes after the first tower collapsed, not two hours after they collapsed. Another prime example of the lies told by those wishing to fool people into believing conspiracies.
And quite frankly, if thats an illustration of your research, then its no wonder why your friend doesnt believe you.
Flight 93, crashed five minutes after the first tower collapsed, not two hours after they collapsed. Another prime example of the lies told by those wishing to fool people into believing conspiracies.
And quite frankly, if thats an illustration of your research, then its no wonder why your friend doesnt believe you.
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reply posted on 22-7-2012 @ 10:21 PM by NWOwned
reply to post by Dinogur
All righty then.
You know a lot of what people present as evidence doesn't really cut it for me, too much of it is open to too much countering and interpretation. Lucky Larry and his "pull it", that thermite was used, that firefighters saw molten metal, that there were no desks and computers in the rubble because either those things weren't in the building or they were turned to dust by exotic weapons etc. etc. etc.
Ok.
One bit of evidence cited is the right wing gash on the North Tower being 'formed' like 6 seconds after the 'plane' impacted the face of the tower. September Clues plays around with this timing thing, but I could say: "Well that's impossible if the plane went in 6 seconds before you bunch of retards!! That's just burning fuel you see there 6 seconds later igniting! Duh! Stay off the internet the smart people are using it." See, countering what first looks like solid evidence.
Now keeping all that in mind, check this out, for I go one level better than September Clues.
And do please check this out.
September Clues uses the Naudet 'Fireman's Video' for their 6 second right wing gash creation thing and I'm going to use that clip too, only an earlier more critical evidence part of it.
In this clip as the 'plane' approaches the face of the North Tower a curious damage pattern appears on the side of the building. Where the very right wing tip would hit the tower an isolated damage bump is seen forming, and even forming FROM INSIDE the tower towards the outside. I've not talked about the forming of this bump much (yet) that would be getting ahead of myself.
I call the evidence I'm explaining to you here (that you could even show to your friend) 9/11: Proof of Deception. Because you only need ONE Proof. Just one.
The right wing bump I just mentioned forming is an ISOLATED instance, which when you think about it is IMPOSSIBLE. Why? Because the "wing tip" is not an isolated entity, no, it's connected to a big long wing. You crash a plane headlong into something flat and vertical, the wings are not going to form isolated damage bumps far out by the tips! That would be ridiculous. Right? Think it through.
But that impossible thing isn't even the main thing, no, it gets even better and more impossible!
In the Naudet clip of the North Tower hit the right wing tip isolated damage bump that appears to be coming out of the tower shows up as damage on the face of the building BEFORE the engine on the very same right wing shows any damage on the building!! You understand?
Why is that super-duper IMPOSSIBLE and PROVES DECEPTION? Simple.
The wings on a 767 are tapered back 37 degrees and the engines on each wing, if you view a 767 in plan view, can be seen to be placed far ahead of the wing tips. THEREFORE, the engines on a 767 would impact the face of the tower and cause damage going in before damage from the wing tips was even created or apparent.
When you look at the Naudet clip HOWEVER, and do so, get the best copy of the Naudet North Tower hit you can find and go through it a FRAME AT A TIME, watch the right wing tip impact the building (actually coming from inside damage) before the right engine even gets to the building. That's what I like to call hard impossible evidence.
Just look at my avatar pic, see that isolated right wing "bump" that is IMPOSSIBLE. THAT proves that the right wing gash on the North Tower was NOT made by the wing of a 767 aircraft.
And that constitutes concrete Proof of Deception.
The Official Story claims that a 767 impacted the North Tower. You can conclude otherwise by carefully examining what I lay out here.
The physics of the damage pattern on the face of the North Tower displayed in the Naudet video does not support the Official Story narrative.
Cheers
All righty then.
You know a lot of what people present as evidence doesn't really cut it for me, too much of it is open to too much countering and interpretation. Lucky Larry and his "pull it", that thermite was used, that firefighters saw molten metal, that there were no desks and computers in the rubble because either those things weren't in the building or they were turned to dust by exotic weapons etc. etc. etc.
Ok.
One bit of evidence cited is the right wing gash on the North Tower being 'formed' like 6 seconds after the 'plane' impacted the face of the tower. September Clues plays around with this timing thing, but I could say: "Well that's impossible if the plane went in 6 seconds before you bunch of retards!! That's just burning fuel you see there 6 seconds later igniting! Duh! Stay off the internet the smart people are using it." See, countering what first looks like solid evidence.
Now keeping all that in mind, check this out, for I go one level better than September Clues.
And do please check this out.
September Clues uses the Naudet 'Fireman's Video' for their 6 second right wing gash creation thing and I'm going to use that clip too, only an earlier more critical evidence part of it.
In this clip as the 'plane' approaches the face of the North Tower a curious damage pattern appears on the side of the building. Where the very right wing tip would hit the tower an isolated damage bump is seen forming, and even forming FROM INSIDE the tower towards the outside. I've not talked about the forming of this bump much (yet) that would be getting ahead of myself.
I call the evidence I'm explaining to you here (that you could even show to your friend) 9/11: Proof of Deception. Because you only need ONE Proof. Just one.
The right wing bump I just mentioned forming is an ISOLATED instance, which when you think about it is IMPOSSIBLE. Why? Because the "wing tip" is not an isolated entity, no, it's connected to a big long wing. You crash a plane headlong into something flat and vertical, the wings are not going to form isolated damage bumps far out by the tips! That would be ridiculous. Right? Think it through.
But that impossible thing isn't even the main thing, no, it gets even better and more impossible!
In the Naudet clip of the North Tower hit the right wing tip isolated damage bump that appears to be coming out of the tower shows up as damage on the face of the building BEFORE the engine on the very same right wing shows any damage on the building!! You understand?
Why is that super-duper IMPOSSIBLE and PROVES DECEPTION? Simple.
The wings on a 767 are tapered back 37 degrees and the engines on each wing, if you view a 767 in plan view, can be seen to be placed far ahead of the wing tips. THEREFORE, the engines on a 767 would impact the face of the tower and cause damage going in before damage from the wing tips was even created or apparent.
When you look at the Naudet clip HOWEVER, and do so, get the best copy of the Naudet North Tower hit you can find and go through it a FRAME AT A TIME, watch the right wing tip impact the building (actually coming from inside damage) before the right engine even gets to the building. That's what I like to call hard impossible evidence.
Just look at my avatar pic, see that isolated right wing "bump" that is IMPOSSIBLE. THAT proves that the right wing gash on the North Tower was NOT made by the wing of a 767 aircraft.
And that constitutes concrete Proof of Deception.
The Official Story claims that a 767 impacted the North Tower. You can conclude otherwise by carefully examining what I lay out here.
The physics of the damage pattern on the face of the North Tower displayed in the Naudet video does not support the Official Story narrative.
Cheers
edit on 22-7-2012 by NWOwned because: number
reply posted on 23-7-2012 @ 05:34 AM by thegameisup
Originally posted by Dinogur
reply to post by thegameisup
I am currently watching your hour plus long video and im liking it.
Most of what i see and hear are discrepancies that are not/have not been recorded and broadcasted by the MSM. such as WTC building 7, the free-fall of the towers, the lack of effort by NORAD, and other political head for the demand of an answer, the timing of everything, such as one of the four planes crashing in Pennsylvania almost 2 hours after the collapse of the twin towers and NORAD or the FAA didnt do anything about it...
I have kind of come to the conclusion that arguing with such people as my friend is useless, wasting time arguing with these types of close-minded individuals is pointless and only a waste of time.
Cool, glad it was to your liking. Some people will not step outside of the matrix bubble that they have been put in, going outside their comfort zone is something a lot of people want to avoid, they dont want to think for themselves.
'Debunkers' here for example, they are in a blind trance, and can only see what the MSM feed them, they think their government could do no wrong, and forget what has happened throughout history. They are happy to be good little slaves for the rest of their sad lives.
Once you unplug from the matrix, there is no going back...
reply posted on 23-7-2012 @ 07:58 AM by Alfie1
Originally posted by thegameisup
Goto 07:52 and you will see 2 flashes below the impact zone, and you hear the first flash, which is evidence of explosives.
This video has also had crucial points edited out, seems they missed the explosives at 07:52 though.
Watch full screen and turn it up, the video was taken a little distance from the towers, so was on zoom when this was taken.
Your alleged explosives and flashes at 07.52 are singularly unimpressive and what do you suppose the relevance was some time before the collapse.
This video was taken in the North Tower lobby as the South Tower collapsed; so much closer to the scene than yours. It is relatively quiet; you can hear ordinary conversation until the ominous rumble intrudes and grows :-
www.youtube.com...
No obvious pre-rumble detonations.
reply posted on 23-7-2012 @ 08:09 AM by Alfie1
Originally posted by thegameisup
Hard evidence in the form of a video interview from police officer Craig Bartmer, and he comfirms there was not enough damage or fires for WTC7 to collapse.
Well, here we have a firefighter who ought to know more about it than a police officer :-
www.youtube.com...
reply posted on 23-7-2012 @ 08:29 AM by Alfie1
Originally posted by Dinogur
reply to post by thegameisup
I am currently watching your hour plus long video and im liking it.
Most of what i see and hear are discrepancies that are not/have not been recorded and broadcasted by the MSM. such as WTC building 7, the free-fall of the towers, the lack of effort by NORAD, and other political head for the demand of an answer, the timing of everything, such as one of the four planes crashing in Pennsylvania almost 2 hours after the collapse of the twin towers and NORAD or the FAA didnt do anything about it...
I have kind of come to the conclusion that arguing with such people as my friend is useless, wasting time arguing with these types of close-minded individuals is pointless and only a waste of time.
It is apparent that you are just seeking conspiracy delusions to feed your confirmation bias.
If you weren't, you could have a look at actual evidence as presented in the Zacarias Moussaoui trial for example :-
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...
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