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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by ImaFungi
i think i kind of understand your arguement better now,, it is one for complete freedom regardless of consequence?
This is always what the opponents of unalienable rights do when they come to realize they're in over their heads. They get disingenuous and start arguing strawmen arguments. They cannot do anything else, unless they want to simply admit their errors.
Here is my argument: All people, everywhere, have unalienable rights. Among those rights are the right to life. It follows that the right to life comes with the right to defend that life, property and the protection of all other rights. That is freedom, and if you cared so much about consequences, and truly wanted guns eliminated you'd first be calling for governments to lay down their arms. This, of course, is not what you're calling for and instead show a repugnant disregard for the rights of the individual.
American Firearms Institute
Firearms and firearm ownership Depending on what statistics you read:
- There are 250 - 280 million firearms in the US
- 40 - 50% of US homes own a firearm, that's 120 - 150 million people
Originally posted by ImaFungi
I live in new york city,..,, along with 8 million other people,,, i cant imagine if every single person had a gun.,,... especially people that work during the day,, have children and live in a one bedroom apartment.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
There is not a single government agency that tracks the number of innocent people killed by police officers...gee, I wonder why.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by ImaFungi
Why not take a look at Cook County, Chicago.
There, they have a law against handgun ownership.
So there must not be any deaths due to gunfire, correct?
i mean anyone with any means of getting a gun can use that gun to kill someone,,,,,
I personally understand that having a gun in your house in case someone breaks in is a good defensive idea, and can make you feel safe,,,,,, i personally wouldnt feel safe if everyone in a city was walking around with a gun on their person,,,,
When I lived in Utah, the dads in my neighborhood took turns monitoring the bus stops for the kids.
We all had C&C permits, and we all took turns. (I had mondays).
Different strokes I guess.
Personally, I felt safer in my town in Utah than I ever did when I lived in Cook County.
Originally posted by hapablab
lol I lived in cook county and your not kidding, (still in illinois but got the heck outta there lol) and
all the killings by guns are done there by filthy little gang bangers all carrying illegal guns, englewood being #1 on that list.
Chicago
250 murders the first 6 months of this year, 2 million ppl live in Chicago
New york
193 murders in the first 6 month of this year, 8 million people live there
hows the gun ban doing for Chicago again?edit on 22-7-2012 by hapablab because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I donno bout that...sure looks like a thread full of gun nuts making hay here.
My pleasure. It's derived from reading about 2 pages of angst-fueled drivel.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I donno bout that...sure looks like a thread full of gun nuts making hay here.
I've never owned a gun in my life and sure hope to keep it that way. Only thing that I can imagine driving me to purchase a gun would be the gun control nuts spitting all over people's rights. Thanks for sharing your brief opinion.
My pleasure. It's derived from reading about 2 pages of angst-fueled drivel.
they are not even similar.
complete order or harmony
youthful fantasy
whats it called when you want the best for all,, and believe whole heartedly that all can be positive and good
as has been said in numerous threads ad nauseum ... heavily tax those who refuse to own a gun ... bum rush the shooter ... learn defensive behavior instead of whining about the guns.
What could we, as a society, have done to make ourselves safer?
regarding the bold statement, can you provide a link for this nonsense ... i believe the number is closer to 3 and that's since 2000.
Originally posted by links234
reply to post by neo96
You're right, gun control doesn't appear to stop these types of events. America averages 20 mass shootings per year, regardless of any restrictions we have. We can't stop them. We can ease the effect they have though, a point I was trying to make earlier.
you would be wise to research such info before posting it ... in CO, the Century Aurora 16 is owned by Cinemark.
Originally posted by japhrimu
I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, so this might have been mentioned, and I COULD be wrong, but isn't AMC the theater company that was just recently bought by China, or a Chinese company? They sure seem willing to succumb to fear, prompting them to ban masks, prop weapons, etc.
It might be worth noting that an AMC theater is where the tragic event happened, giving them good reason to enact 'security measures' like no masks, but we should still be careful to how scared we get, leading us to give up even more rights. Is this a precursor to TSA, like I've heard mentioned a bunch?
www.cinemark.com...
Century Aurora
14300 East Alameda Ave.
Aurora, CO 80012